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Nail

12-29-2004 08:14:48




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From your opinions which wagon model do you think is the best for a pull type. Thinking about buying a used one and I am not sure about which model is the best and which one was a lemon. Would be stacking grass hay and we do have alot of dew and humidity and the haul wouldn't be over 3 miles some of the time. Probably be hauling about 20,000 bales a year depending on rain. Does the models with the push off feet work better and faster? Time is a factor. Also the barns are not tall enough for the bale wagon but thinking about building one that would be for some of the hay,so could I get one of those grabble forks for the front end loader and use it to pickup the bales from the stack and stack them in the barn? And one more question,can I bale today and pickup the bales tomorrow with a little dew on them or do I have to pickup the bales behind the baler? Thanks for all the help because there is no bale wagons around here. Thanks

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Steve in Colo

12-29-2004 21:43:55




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to Nail, 12-29-2004 08:14:48  
I agree with the others, for 20,000 bales you will need a self propelled they make 9 high 3 wide stacks of 160 bales. A good 1049 should run about 10 to 15 thousand dollars.Your hay barn will need to be at least 17 feet tall at eaves, 40 feet wide for 3 stacks wide.If i was to build a new barn it would be 60x120 with a 120 foot side open, this would give you 9 bays of 8 stacks each. This would let you store different types or cuttings. the quicker you get your hay stacked the better. Good luck.

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Hayfarmer

12-29-2004 20:30:47




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to Nail, 12-29-2004 08:14:48  
I think for the amount you are doing I would get a self propelled. In my area of the country most guys use 3 tie balers and Bale wagons that have the computer to regulate stacks. They make smaller stacks that will stand by themselves then stack them 2 high in the barn with a fork lift, squeeze. Of course most of the hay is later sold and loaded on trucks with the forklift. There are quite a few 1048 and super 1048s around that do a good job on smaller bales and do not require a degree in computer science to run. Had a guy haul my hay with a 1032 this last year. Was great if you have lots of time. Here they guys try to get it off the field right away to preserve color in the hay.

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kyhayman

12-29-2004 17:16:26




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to Nail, 12-29-2004 08:14:48  
I went with a NH bale wagon several years ago, first of all get a model with push off feet, get a 3 bale wide model. If I were doing 20,000 and moving hay more than a mile you need self propelled. I'm running about 10,000 and using a 1034. Its all a 1 man show can do here. I use a grapple to handle them at the barn (2nd year with it).

If I 'knew then' what I 'know now' I would have built my barn to dump in for the self propelled and gone with a 1068 instead of the 1034 (wish I had gotten a 1033 instead if I had still gotten a pull type, only single bale unloaded once) . For pull type, I like 1033, 1034, and 1038?. Self propelled, any with a diesel will be fine. 1010 and 1002 I dont care for.

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Nail

12-29-2004 18:54:12




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to kyhayman, 12-29-2004 17:16:26  
Thanks for the good information. What kind of grabble forks do you use? That was one of my concerns was the three bale wide,I didn't know if they make a grabble that would handle the three wide. Thanks



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kyhayman

12-29-2004 19:02:22




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to Nail, 12-29-2004 18:54:12  
Hoelscher makes a 15 and an 18 bale for use with bale wagons, so does Steffen. At $3800 for a set, I built my own. Cost me right at half that using Hoelsher hooks ($900.00 in hooks and $500 in steel plus a 1/3 of a box of 7018's and 2 days.

I would have probably bought a set even at that but I wanted them to work from the 3 bale wide side and quick attach on a skid loader (a lot of weight on a skid loader, I run a big skid loader (1845C Case) with 4 weight bars and then added another 200#. I was short on outlets for the tractor (only have 2 sets and use both of them for the loader, $500 to add another set and I prefer moving hay with the skid steer anyway.

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dickb

12-29-2004 16:00:35




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to Nail, 12-29-2004 08:14:48  
We have a NH 1033 pull type bale wagon. Holds 104 14X18 bales. Works fine with a little practice. It hauls 3 wide. You need a tractor with a fair good draw bar. We use massey 255 (51 hp) . Power is good and easy to get off and on, but nearly pulled the draw bar off. Since have reinforced the draw bar. there are quite a few sp type that haul 160, but cost a lot more.



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JJL

12-29-2004 14:18:08




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to Nail, 12-29-2004 08:14:48  
Yes, get the push off feet. It makes unloading much easier. With everything going right, I can pull in the barn driveway and be back on the road in 5 minutes. Of course, you do get a few loads from Hell every year where everything goes wrong, but in general it's a really fast way to move hay.

Yes, you can pick up hay with dew on them. When rain is starting, I'll pick up bales in the rain until the wet bales won't slide anymore, effectively ending the haying day. Now, that's not something you want to do a whole lot of, of course, but if it's get some hay in with wet tops and one side (direction the rain is from) or let it sit out and maybe get so wet you have to throw them away, then I'll take it when I can. It's two more loads in the barn, anyway. In any case, dew will not slow the wagon down.

Are you sure your barn is not tall enough? With the very early model wagons the whole rack went up, but the later ones only had the rolling rack and the bottom of the wagon go up. You didn't have to have such a tall barn when they came out with that. It's worth it even if you have to build a new barn, though. It's a very fast way to bring in hay.

JJL

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ben uk

12-29-2004 09:48:48




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to Nail, 12-29-2004 08:14:48  
in my honest opinion if your going to get a grapple you might be better off just using the grapple to load the biggest trailer you can get in the field.

Honestly with a decent grab operator you can load 400 bales in 40 minuites easy. Then hook the trailer up drive your 3 miles down the road and stack them up in birtually any barn that you can get the tracto in in another 40 minuites.

Also saves a lot of cost. All you need extra is a sledge behind your baler if you dont already have one.

Just my opinion, i know how much hay can be moved with a grab in a short amount of time.

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paul

12-29-2004 16:58:28




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to ben uk, 12-29-2004 09:48:48  
That's what I was thinking, if you get the grab & have the loader tractor, go grab all the way, just a trailer or 2 & an accumulator.

Most of the NH wagons end up with the bales on side on the ground, don't know if a grab will like that?

--->Paul



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ben uk

12-30-2004 00:03:55




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to paul, 12-29-2004 16:58:28  
Dont think it would, although ive never tried it.

Think it would wrip the bale apart actually.



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David in MD

12-29-2004 08:47:18




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to Nail, 12-29-2004 08:14:48  
Some excellent references for bale wagon specifications are www.roederimp.com/,
www.sodbustersales.com/default.htm, and www.ridzonfarms.com.
I use a NH 1002 which holds 55 bales because that's all that will fit in my building. To me pushoff feet are a necessity as I want my stacks to stay stacked. You'll need something to stack against if you want to unload outside and grapple in. You might also consider a model with single bale unload so you could elevator bales into a barn. Going 3 miles up the road, I'd buy the biggest model I could get. I can pickup and and unload 3 loads an hour on the home farm. Running to the building, backing in, and unloading takes more time than picking up a load.

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