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Woodrow

12-28-2004 18:27:13




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I receintly moved to the country from the city and have no expierence with tractors. I bought a MF-35 that seems to be right for the mowing and bush hogging that I want to do. I also want to build a shop on my property and do most of the work myself. My question is; can I mount a cement mixer on my tractor and if so who makes one that would work?




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Billy NY

01-01-2005 19:59:51




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 Re: Cement mixer in reply to Woodrow, 12-28-2004 18:27:13  
Spending most of a career in building construction, and having a decent knowlege of concrete, from design mixes to forming, placing, and finishing, depending on the size of the slab or increments of which you plan to pour, using a small mixer will be a fair if not, quite a bit of work for any sizeable pour. You have to handle, the portland in bags, the aggregate and sand or ready mix in the bags, which would be more consistent and should be a certain strength design mix, also measure your water, so as not to exceed the water-cement ratio. By the time you get to the latter batches of your pour, the concrete my begin to hydrate (set-up) before you have placed it all in the form, as it takes time to do the mixing in small batches. Small jobs and making mortar would seem a more fitting job for these mixers, but any pour of size, the quality may suffer, due to varying water to cementitious material ratios ( H2O to portland cement ), fluxuation in aggregate amounts if mixing your own, air entrainment from over mixing etc., I find it better to call for a ready mix truck to deliver the design mix I specify, or is called for on any sizeable pour. 3000-4000 p.s.i. should be good for a building slab. You can still form, place reinforcing rod or 6"x6" woven wire mesh ( W.W.M.)and place the material, if you are not a proficient finisher, depending on the size, hire a finisher or 2 to follow up behind you after you place the material, power trowel it off after it sets up a bit, if you want a polished finish or whatever. You can estimate the cubic yardage easily by taking the square footage of your slab, multiply that by the thickness ( convert thickness in inches to decimal, always keep your units the same ) which will give you the total cubic feet, then divide by 27 ( 27 cubic feet in 1 cubic yard ), that will give you the cubic yards to order, add 1/2 yard to the order and you will be on the money. If you want to test compressive strength, you can pour 4 test cylinders, fill them in thirds, using a rod to pack each level 25x, then screed the top off clean, a testing lab can do 7 day, 14 day, 21 day and 28 day breaks to confirm the strength, ( this is kind of overkill, but you will know that it came up to strength if you need to) Using a small mixer, you could also pour smaller sections, certainly realize the cost of concrete by the yard is not cheap, neither are contractors to do the work, but buying ready mix and having it delivered takes some of the work out of the job, and you can still do a majority of the work yourself and realize a cost savings.

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Jim.UT

12-30-2004 07:55:06




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 Re: Cement mixer in reply to Woodrow, 12-28-2004 18:27:13  
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The problem with most 3 point mixers is they require a hydraulic toplink to actuate the dump feature. Back in the 60's and 70's there was a mixer on the market called the TransMix made by Universal Pulley Co in Wichita KS that would dump with just the action of the 3pt lift arms. Later they were made by Carlson Co, also of Wichita. I'm not sure if the company was bought or if it just changed names. At any rate I can't find any current information about either company. This is a pic of my TransMix on my Ford 850. If you can find one of these in decent condition, they usually sell for between $150 and $300. They are very handy for exactly the reason you state: you can mix the cement in one location and drive the mix to where you need it and dump it right there.
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If you find a TransMix, let me know and I can help you figure out how to mount it on a 3 point hitch.

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Woodrow

12-30-2004 18:03:27




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 Re: Cement mixer in reply to Jim.UT, 12-30-2004 07:55:06  
Thanks for posting the photos, that is exactly what I want. If anyone has one for sale please let me know.



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Michael Soldan

12-29-2004 08:27:27




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 Re: Cement mixer in reply to Woodrow, 12-28-2004 18:27:13  
Woodrow I kind of agree with Paul, but if you want to mix your own cement you can but a mixer set up cheaper than a tractor one. I bought a nice mixer with electric motor v pulley drive for$40 at a sale..does fine for all my little repair jobs..and... everybody in the neighbourhood knows where they can borrow one!!!! Mike in Exeter Ontario



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Woodrow

12-29-2004 17:41:04




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 Re: Cement mixer in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-29-2004 08:27:27  
The reason I want a tractor mounted mixer is because the gravel and sand piles are about 300" from where I want to pour the slab. A tractor mounted unit would save a lot of uphill wheelbarrowing. With a tractor I could deliver the concrete to the work area without handeling it twice.



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

12-29-2004 16:50:56




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 Re: Cement mixer in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-29-2004 08:27:27  
I agree with Mike on the use of the small, electric mixer. It's much better than the tractor-mounted unit for small jobs.

When I borrowed a pto mixer last summer I tried to run it on a Ferguson TEA20. It must have idled too quickly because the drum worked like a centrifuge, mixing the ingredients only when it overbalanced and dumped everything on the ground. The problem? The mixer was worn out and I hadn't had enough experience with concrete to know what I was doing.

Next time I try a mounted mixer I'll use a tractor that idles very slowly and that has enough 3pt hitch strength to lift the fully-loaded unit. But unless I have a crew I won't need it: the little mixer, run efficiently, keeps one man very busy.

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paul

12-28-2004 19:26:57




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 Re: Cement mixer in reply to Woodrow, 12-28-2004 18:27:13  
Yes you can. Many of the farm supply places sell them. Around here you can pick a better (built the old solid way) used one for less money if you are willing to wait & watch.

Have you ever worked with concrete before?

Sometimes that's the item to hire done. Contractors can sometimes get super deals on the 'crete, know what they are doing to make a long-lasting base for a building you will use for a long time, and will charge you about what you will spend doing it yourself.

Just a thought, certainly not telling you what to do.:)

--->Paul

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