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Hesston 5800 baler

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Craig A Tull

12-21-2004 13:51:50




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I am looking at a Hesston 5800 rounder, It looks pretty good, no major rust, the belts are all there but I would think replacment of the belts and looking at all the bearings would be a good idea, I know nothing about balers, so I have a couple questions, would this work well with Jiggs (coastal)and how much would a set of belts cost, asking price is $750.00 but I think I can get this down some.
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Craig

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txblu

12-22-2004 05:15:26




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 Re: Hesston 5800 baler in reply to Craig A Tull, 12-21-2004 13:51:50  
I have a 5800 and have used it for several seasons. Rebuilt the pickup and installed new belts. Never figured out the difference between open and closed throat, nor what difference it makes.

I bale sudan to 7' and Johnsson grass, coastal and rye. With the fine grasses, there is quite a bit of "chaff" as compared to the tougher stemmy grasses but the fine grasses make a better, more dense bale.

It's a completely manual baler: you walk across the WW to balance the bale, decide when it's full, activate the tie mechanism, and dump the bale.

Got the belts off the webb from ex-cel. They make various grades and textures.

Mine uses 8 ea 5" belts that are 40' long. That amounted to $1000 for me as I got some 3 ply and alligator gromet with aggressive surfaces.

I paid $2500 for mine and it had the bearings replaced in the rollers. General condition was good. Thought that was a deal since they cost around $35,000 new. Wouldn't expect to get much for $750. That's pretty cheap.

Mark

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James in NC

12-22-2004 06:05:32




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 Re: Hesston 5800 baler in reply to txblu, 12-22-2004 05:15:26  
I sure hope that "$35,000" was a typing mistake. You can get a new round baler for $12,500.



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James in NC

12-22-2004 06:05:02




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 Re: Hesston 5800 baler in reply to txblu, 12-22-2004 05:15:26  
I sure hope that "$35,000" was a typing mistake. You can get a new round baler for $12,500.



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txblu

12-22-2004 11:40:49




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 Re: Hesston 5800 baler in reply to James in NC, 12-22-2004 06:05:02  
What and where? Not a green 535!



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James in NC

12-22-2004 11:49:10




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 Re: Hesston 5800 baler in reply to txblu, 12-22-2004 11:40:49  
Vermeer 5400 Rebel at your local Vermeer dealer.
I'm not sure that biggest and most loaded Vermeer is even $35,000. You could probably get one up to thiry if you load it to the max. Usually Vermeer and Deere are pretty close in price if you compare equivalent machines. Thirty five sounds real extreme to me.
I apologize to anyone that reads this a Vermeer ad, that is not what I wanted to do.

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txblu

12-22-2004 13:29:14




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 Re: Hesston 5800 baler in reply to James in NC, 12-22-2004 11:49:10  
A palsley square baler at NH is like $16k.



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James in NC

12-22-2004 13:32:37




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 Re: Hesston 5800 baler in reply to txblu, 12-22-2004 13:29:14  
That sure helps make the arguement to round bale hay.



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txblu

12-22-2004 05:15:16




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 Re: Hesston 5800 baler in reply to Craig A Tull, 12-21-2004 13:51:50  
I have a 5800 and have used it for several seasons. Rebuilt the pickup and installed new belts. Never figured out the difference between open and closed throat, nor what difference it makes.

I bale sudan to 7' and Johnsson grass, coastal and rye. With the fine grasses, there is quite a bit of "chaff" as compared to the tougher stemmy grasses but the fine grasses make a better, more dense bale.

It's a completely manual baler: you walk across the WW to balance the bale, decide when it's full, activate the tie mechanism, and dump the bale.

Got the belts off the webb from ex-cel. They make various grades and textures.

Mine uses 8 ea 5" belts that are 40' long. That amounted to $1000 for me as I got some 3 ply and alligator gromet with aggressive surfaces.

I paid $2500 for mine and it had the bearings replaced in the rollers. General condition was good. Thought that was a deal since they cost around $35,000 new. Wouldn't expect to get much for $750. That's pretty cheap.

Mark

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CEB

12-22-2004 11:40:59




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 Re: Hesston 5800 baler in reply to txblu, 12-22-2004 05:15:16  
Closed throat vs. open throat....BIG DIFFERENCE. They don't make a closed throat baler anymore and for a good reason. I had three different makes of closed throat balers before I bought an open throat baler. With a closed throat baler, the hay has to be perfect to bale well. It must be perfectly dry and perfectly raked and have pretty consistent uniformity (amount of hay) of the windrow. If conditions are less than ideal, you will learn some new language trying to cut the wrapped up hay off those press rollers!

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txblu

12-22-2004 12:09:58




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 Re: Hesston 5800 baler in reply to CEB, 12-22-2004 11:40:59  
Ok.

I get on the ground under the baler and look into the "throat". What I see are pickup fingers across the full width which almost touch the ground and lift the hay up and back; they're chain driven from the pto.

On top of where the hay enters, the bale chamber is a grid of long 3/8 dia steel sticks (front to rear) that lie on top of the incoming material. They are on a pivot so that they float with the volume of material coming in.

Then it's up to the chamber where the belts are and there are rollers and belts that are close together at first, but as the bale forms, they expand and get farther apart.

Sound like an open throat?

Mark

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James in NC

12-22-2004 13:17:03




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 Re: Hesston 5800 baler in reply to txblu, 12-22-2004 12:09:58  
Since the hay is not entering the chamber between to rollers I would say that it is an open throut.



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James in NC

12-21-2004 14:12:03




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 Re: Hesston 5800 baler in reply to Craig A Tull, 12-21-2004 13:51:50  
A set of good belts will run around $750 to $1000. I'm not sure about the ones for that baler but that should be a good ball park. I believe that a 5800 rounder is a closed throat baler. Pay close attention to the rubber roller they are around $500 to replace. It would probably bale coastal but it might be picky about it. Your hay better be right.



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