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Plow-Dirt balling up

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Smark

12-10-2004 13:31:37




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I am trying to Plow up my field, just Grass growing on a field that has not been plowed in about 10 years.Plowing with a 2 Btm. Fergeson behind a Ford 861. Problem is that I just keep getting a large ball of dirt and Grass and the Plow keeps riding up. I have the position control handle UP. What am I doing wrong. And yes I did search the Archives. Thanks!




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Bushogpapa

12-12-2004 11:01:17




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 Re: Plow-Dirt balling up in reply to Smark, 12-10-2004 13:31:37  
I don't want my sod chopped up before I plow..!!

I like to see complete un-broken ribbons all the way across the field...!! That is the way a properly adjusted AC plow will do it, and that is 7" deep with coverboards.. Sure is a pleasure to work it down, too... Had a guy "Help" one year with a JD 70 and a 3-14" pull-type plow...when it came to working the ground down he wanted to work the part I plowed... I told him" You made that mess, you work it down"..!! Besides, hauling gas to that 70 was like pouring gas down a rat hole...never did get it above half a tank.!!

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Joel Harman

12-11-2004 07:12:29




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 Re: Plow-Dirt balling up in reply to Smark, 12-10-2004 13:31:37  
Here's what I do on 20% slope in Fraley loam.
Run a springtooth thru it first. If that doesn't make my happy then I will disc it. Then plow, if necessary. the springtooth will plug some.

ground has to be moist for better penetration.



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RickB

12-11-2004 03:56:26




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 NO DISCING! in reply to Smark, 12-10-2004 13:31:37  
Guaranteed to multiply your problems. A scoured plow and adjusted colters are the answers.



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Allan in NE

12-11-2004 06:04:44




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 Re: NO DISCING! in reply to RickB, 12-11-2004 03:56:26  
Mornin' Rick,

I never could understand why some of the fellas would go to all the trouble of plowing and still end up leaving a third of the residue on top.

But, we all do it differently, I guess. Maybe it is a dry land/irrigated thing? Dunno.

Allan

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Indydirtfarmer

12-11-2004 06:14:31




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 Must be proud of that picture! in reply to Allan in NE, 12-11-2004 06:04:44  
Showin' it to us twice and all.....

Howdy! I hope it's a nicer day there than it is here....Raining and cold. Turning to snow flurries later today.

I guess when you farm on a pool table like that picture, you don't worry so much about hard rains carrying away your land....Here, we need that residue left on top to keep the soil in place. Back when we still did tillage, we went to great amounts of effort to keep some of it on top. The ones that still plow, rip, chisel, disc, ect. aim for at least 35% left on the surface. Things vary from state to state and county to county. But back east here, where us REAL farmers are at..... ....

LOL. John

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Allan in NE

12-11-2004 06:31:04




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 Re: Must be proud of that picture! in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 12-11-2004 06:14:31  
Mornin' John,

I think that fella farms up in South Dakota. You're not the only one, I've had other guys tell me that they do it that way to prevent soil erosion as well.

Down in this country it isn't the rains, because there just aren't any, it is the darned wind, which will carry the soil away, hence our need for the rotary hoes. :>)

Since I was raised on flood irrigated farm country, I learned to farm in such a fashion as to never leave as much as a single "stick" above the ground, because any trash at all would absolutely ruin your day when it came time to pour the water to 'er. :>)

Probably why you and I are always 'bumping heads'. :>)

Later Dude,

Allan

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Allan in NE

12-11-2004 06:04:25




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 Re: NO DISCING! in reply to RickB, 12-11-2004 03:56:26  
Mornin' Rick,

I never could understand why some of the fellas would go to all the trouble of plowing and still end up leaving a third of the residue on top.

But, we all do it differently, I guess. Maybe it is a dry land/irrigated thing? Dunno.

Allan

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BushogPapa

12-10-2004 17:41:42




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 Re: Plow-Dirt balling up in reply to Smark, 12-10-2004 13:31:37  
Even with everything properly adjusted, and the Moldboards shined up with a clay brick, or wire wheel...you should carry a good putty knife and scrape the coverboards and moldboards at least at the end of the field, every round--until the soil SLIDES OFF when you raise the plow... When a Plow is properly "Scoured", it will shine like new chrome..!! Keep the bugger INSIDE and Completely oil or grease ALL wearing surfaces..!!! My Grandad used to whip his boys if they didn't oil the moldboards when they stopped for Dinner...!!! That meant it was about 7 more hours 'till Supper...!! A Fully-Scoured plow will pull about 1/2 as hard as one that is "just shiney"... One that is rusty is JUNK until (or IF) it ever scours up...!!

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BushogPapa

12-10-2004 17:41:08




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 Re: Plow-Dirt balling up in reply to Smark, 12-10-2004 13:31:37  
Even with everything properly adjusted, and the Moldboards shined up with a clay brick, or wire wheel...you should carry a good putty knife and scrape the coverboards and moldboards at least at the end of the field, every round--until the soil SLIDES OFF when you raise the plow... When a Plow is properly "Scoured", it will shine like new chrome..!! Keep the bugger INSIDE and Completely oil or grease ALL wearing surfaces..!!! My Grandad used to whip his boys if they didn't oil the moldboards when they stopped for Dinner...!!! That meant it was about 7 more hours 'till Supper...!! A Fully-Scoured plow will pull about 1/2 as hard as one that is "just shiney"... One that is rusty is JUNK until (or IF) it ever scours up...!!

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wolfmantractor

12-10-2004 16:45:43




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 Re: Plow-Dirt balling up in reply to Smark, 12-10-2004 13:31:37  
First thing you want is moldboards as shiny as the chrome bumpers on your old 55 chevy. Next, for sod make sure colters are cutting the correct depth & about an inch wider than the shin. Shins good? Points good? Have them running level? A plow running on its nose won't roll sod properly.



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Allan in NE

12-10-2004 16:07:45




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 Re: Plow-Dirt balling up in reply to Smark, 12-10-2004 13:31:37  
Smark,

Can't believe you are trying to plow standing grass. :>)

Ya gotta disc it first, ya know. Maybe twice at different angles if it is real heavy cover.

Allan



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paul

12-10-2004 20:57:55




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 Re: Plow-Dirt balling up in reply to Allan in NE, 12-10-2004 16:07:45  
Hum. Thought you were being bad & joking, but someone else said it too.

You can really make that work for you?

I tried it once, was 10 times worse to get the cut grass through the plow. Never, ever again.

Standing grass should pull through just fine, stays anchored in the ground.

If his ground is wet, the disk makes bricks. Ick.

I'll guess his plow is rusty or not adjusted to his tractor properly.

Dad used to plow down 4+ foot tall sweet clover, wires on the coulters. That was something! Never plugged.But, loose stalks, straw, even bean stalks - ugh with the old low-clearance plows.

--->Paul

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Allan in NE

12-11-2004 04:48:35




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 Re: Plow-Dirt balling up in reply to paul, 12-10-2004 20:57:55  
Hi Paul,

Different things work for different folks in different parts of the country, that's for sure.

Also, as you say, moisture has a huge effect on what a fella is trying to do and I would suspect trying to plow down standing grass in the middle of December could be somewhat of a headache.

But to answer your question, yes, I would not even consider turning a heavy cover crop without first knocking it down and getting it to the point of it being at least "manageable".

If on the other hand, the disc still will not cut the cover, then it is for darned sure to wet to be in the field. :>)

Allan

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Richard Fazio

12-10-2004 15:46:32




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 Re: Plow-Dirt balling up in reply to Smark, 12-10-2004 13:31:37  
I'm not sure on the 861, but on the Ns you need to have the position control lever forward. That puts it in draft control. Up is for position control. You probably need to adjust your plow on the three point also. I used the method discribed by members on the N board. Park your tractor on level ground preferably cement. Block the rear left wheel up on a 6" block of wood. Now level the plow so it sits nicely down on the cement with both bottoms level front to back and sideways. Adjust with the top link and sideways leveler crank. That's the gist of it in a nut shell. The other thing that could be giving you trouble is how clean are the plow bottoms. They need to be shinny clean. I got myself a three bottom JD pull behind that was real rusty. I figured I could plow with it to clean it up. It was making a real mess. Clumping up and real hard to pull. I had to get out a wire wheel on an angle drill and clean it up. Then she worked good. Hope this helps, post back how you make out.

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Paul in Mich

12-10-2004 15:34:25




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 Re: Plow-Dirt balling up in reply to Smark, 12-10-2004 13:31:37  
Smark, If the field has not been plowed in 10 yrs as you say, then the root structure of the grass is probably pretty dense which is also hard to cut and will tend to build up between the culter and moldboard. Also that amount of grass is in essense sod which holds moisture, so it may be wetter than you think it to be. This is not to supercede what Mike brown said, but to add to it. If the ground is not too wet and holding moisture, and your plow is set correctly, and you still experience the problem, it may help to run a disk across the field first to cut up the sod before plowing. YOu might try a small section first to see how it does. We had about 200 acres that we took out of CRP this last spring, and we experienced a lot of plugging until we cut it approximately 3 inches deep with a disk first.

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mike brown

12-10-2004 14:40:53




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 Re: Plow-Dirt balling up in reply to Smark, 12-10-2004 13:31:37  
Is this dirt ball between the shin and the plow frame or in front of the point?
If the plow keeps riding up you need to shorten the top link to change the angle more points down so the plow sucks down into the soil. Angle and good points are critical to plow performance. The plow should want to go into the dirt until it is stopped by the tail wheel and the tractor three point lower links. If your points are sharp, try shortening the top link a little at a time until the plow wants to suck down into the dirt. Where are you located? If it is anything like around here (upstate NY) it's too wet to plow! The soil should be a little dry on top. If you squeeze a hand full of dirt and it stays in a compacted ball it's too wet. If water comes out like it would around here it's tooooo wet to plow.

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smark

12-10-2004 17:34:10




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 Re: Plow-Dirt balling up in reply to mike brown, 12-10-2004 14:40:53  
Thanks for the help, Im going to go look for a Disc and try that. The soil is also a little wet here in the Michigan Thumb, it may be too late. Thanks all!



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Paul in Mich

12-10-2004 22:12:28




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 Re: Plow-Dirt balling up in reply to smark, 12-10-2004 17:34:10  
Smark, I"m in Freeland, and I can tell you that it is way too wet to plow right now. I was out to Caro and Cass City yesterday (12/9) and conditions looked about the same as they are here, so I"m not sure where in the thumb it would be much different.



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paul

12-10-2004 20:47:49




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 Re: Plow-Dirt balling up in reply to smark, 12-10-2004 17:34:10  
No, not a disk!!!!! No!!!!

Make things much worse. If it's a little too wet for plowing, it's _way way_ too wet for disking.

--->Paul



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steveormary

12-10-2004 20:43:48




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 Re: Plow-Dirt balling up in reply to smark, 12-10-2004 17:34:10  
smark;

Dont know about disking it first. Tried that once and it made thing worse. How tall is the grass. We turned under clover one time with an F-12 and a TE-20 and weed rods on the plows. That was when I was 9 and if I stood up on the Ferguson I was about as tall as the clover.

It may be as the others say,you need to properly adjust your plow. You should get a manuel for both the tractor and plow.

steveormary

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