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JimCalhoun

12-06-2004 01:38:03




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A friend of mine was thinking about the old pull type combines and said he remembered them being able to be run at twice the speed of the ealy self propelled, which would be around 5-6 MPH.

Can anyone verify that you could cut wheat going that fast with a pull type harvester?




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The Dukester

12-10-2004 15:32:30




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 Re: Question for old timers in reply to JimCalhoun, 12-06-2004 01:38:03  
We had an IH 64 that was a pretty nice combine all way around. The Farmall H was capable of pulling this unit in good conditions but the Super MTA was just about perfect, it had all the power the combine needed and some besides, and the live PTO. We usually ran in second gear using TA often to keep from overloading the combine. Sometimes really heavy grain or the grain being a hair "tough" required first gear.
We tried to do a good job cleaning the grain and getting it all too, you can't overload a combine and expect to do that. On the other hand combines were always better off loaded pretty near capacity too, unless there's a lot of foul or green stuff running through or the grain is just too damp/tough to be run anyway. Conditions can make all the difference in the world.

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cockshuttguy

12-08-2004 13:41:30




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 Re: Question for old timers in reply to JimCalhoun, 12-06-2004 01:38:03  
I've used many All Crop Harvestors. The speed depends on how much product you want to take to the barn, how much you want to leave on the ground, how much time you want to spend unpluging the cylinder and how fast you want to junk out the combine. The early selfers probably did take in a bit more than they could chew.



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RJ-AZ

12-07-2004 19:28:17




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 Re: Question for old timers in reply to JimCalhoun, 12-06-2004 01:38:03  
We had a BIG J.I. Case pull type with a 14' header and you could only go as fast as the sickle would cut and the reel could sweep it in. This machine had a Case 4 cylinder engine on it and hyd. header lift but the reel speed and reel height were pretty much fixed.



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Bus Driver

12-07-2004 09:43:57




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 Re: Question for old timers in reply to JimCalhoun, 12-06-2004 01:38:03  
For many years, we used a 1939 John Deere G pulling and (PTO) powering an Allis 60 combine. It would not thresh out the grain properly except with the tractor in 1st gear. Even the moisture level right after sundown prevented further harvesting until mid-morning next day.



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MarkB_MI

12-06-2004 20:07:09




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 Re: Question for old timers in reply to JimCalhoun, 12-06-2004 01:38:03  
I don't consider myself an old timer just yet, but I'm old enough to remember when a few of the old pull type combines were still in use. And as a kid I used to talk to the old geezers in their 40's (like my dad) about operating the pull types. My granddad's John Deere Holt was abandoned on our place, and I spent many ours playing on that old machine.

Everyone told me that the larger pull types, under the right conditions, could cut as much wheat as the early self propelled machines, if not more. The thing to remember is that some of the later pull types had 18 foot platforms, compared to 14 foot platforms for self-propelled combines like the JD 55. So they didn't need to cut nearly as fast to cover the same acreage as a self propelled. Of course you didn't always have ideal conditions; I was told that they didn't like weeds or wet wheat.

The reasons the self-propelled combines took over had little to do with capacity. The self-propelled machines were more maneuverable, required one less worker, and you didn't run over your uncut wheat during the first trip around the field.

I would love to get the chance to run an old Holt someday, but I don't suppose that's going to happen.

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Kens640

12-06-2004 11:53:17




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 Re: Question for old timers in reply to JimCalhoun, 12-06-2004 01:38:03  
Now see here Sonny , who are ya callin old timer ?



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PaulK(IL)

12-06-2004 09:30:25




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 Re: Question for old timers in reply to JimCalhoun, 12-06-2004 01:38:03  
Ihad a John Deere no. 17 Pull type, 16 foot machine with 12 foot cutter bar. 6 cylinder Hercules motor, Made several modifications to original combine, could cut soybeans making 35 to 40 bu at 5 mile per hour. Pulled it with everything from Graham Bradley to a utu minn. Agreat old canvas type machine..



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paul

12-06-2004 08:33:54




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 Re: Question for old timers in reply to JimCalhoun, 12-06-2004 01:38:03  
Some of the first sp combines were pretty frail....

I think your friend is comparing a narrow-headed pull type combine with a lot of relative capacity (cyl & threasher area) to a rather poor early sp combine with a too-wide grain head on it.

I doubt many pull type combines could harvest twice as many bu of grain in an hour as a sp combine.

JD & IHC made some really large pull type combines toward the end, but don't think you can compare those to an older sp....

--->Paul

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Roger in Iowa

12-06-2004 08:13:14




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 Re: Question for old timers in reply to JimCalhoun, 12-06-2004 01:38:03  
I am not that old at almost 60, but the thoughts were that the wider the threashing cylinder the more capacity. Machines like the JD 12A we had, the cylinder was nearly as wide as the cutterbar, 6 foot. It was pulled by a 50 HP WR9 McCormick Deering and could go faster than a walk. ( A walk is about 3 mph, jog is 5 mph). The problem we had was having to stop so often to unload the small grain tank (maybe 20 to 25 bushels was all). Todays conventional combines you will notice have wider cylinders than the smaller units, i.e. 4400 JD compared to 7700, and newer.

For what it is worth.

Roger in Iowa

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Hugh MacKay

12-06-2004 06:32:18




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 Re: Question for old timers in reply to JimCalhoun, 12-06-2004 01:38:03  
Jim: Like Coloken said, pull type combine going 5 to 6 mph, must have been one H#$% of a poor crop. What your friend may be indicating is some of the first self propelleds actually had the same threashing unit as did the pull type. Makes sence that a pull type with a 6' header would move a bit faster than same unit on self propelled with 8' or 9' header. It's all geared to the size of header in relation to the threashing unit and the crop, no magic involved.

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Coloken

12-06-2004 05:45:32




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 Re: Question for old timers in reply to JimCalhoun, 12-06-2004 01:38:03  
The speed you can pull a combine is based on its capacity (usualy cyl size), its cut width, and the amount of crop. No reason why a pull type would handle more. Each combine had its own abilities. I never knew of any pull combine that could cut at 5 or 6 MPH, unless the wheat crop was so poor it made about 5 bu per acre. Maybe 10 bu with an AC-60. I sure liked my old 12 foot gleaner.



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jimont

12-06-2004 05:21:56




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 Re: Question for old timers in reply to JimCalhoun, 12-06-2004 01:38:03  
Jim - An old thresherman helped me set up our first combine(Oliver 18) and always claimed that the proper ground speed for a pull type was no more than a good walk speed (1 mph). My Super Dexta has just such a gear !!



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Jimmy King

12-06-2004 04:50:58




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 Re: Question for old timers in reply to JimCalhoun, 12-06-2004 01:38:03  
We pulled our 7ft Clipper in 1st with an H once in a while 2nd, but not often. Maybe it seem that way to him because the tractor wouldn"t go any slower, we would have to kick it in nuetral from time to time to let it catch up. SP combines will travel much slower than a tractor, with eng. at operating speed.



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Jimmy King

12-06-2004 04:49:38




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 Re: Question for old timers in reply to JimCalhoun, 12-06-2004 01:38:03  
We pulled our 7ft Clipper in 1st with an H once in a while 2nd, but not often. Maybe it seem that way to him because the tractor wouldn"t go any slower, we would have to kick it in nuetral from time to time to let it catch up. SP combines will travel much slower than a tractor, with eng. at operating speed.



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