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Remus

11-30-2004 17:00:32




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All the hydraulic dump wagons that I have seen or read about where 7'x 14', Why that size? and what problems if any, would there be in making a 8'x16'dump wagon?
Thanks Larry




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Allan in NE

12-01-2004 03:39:52




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 Re: Question Hydraulic dump wagon in reply to Remus, 11-30-2004 17:00:32  
Are you talking about a dump wagon or a farm wagon with a hydraulic hoist? Big diffferenc.

This is a dump wagon.

Allan

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bkhoverpilot

12-01-2004 03:24:37




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 Re: Question Hydraulic dump wagon in reply to Remus, 11-30-2004 17:00:32  
If I went to an 8X16 dump I would put it on a wagon with tandem rear wheels. Our neighbor ruined (collapsed) a set of singles dumping a load of shelled corn.



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Heat Houser

11-30-2004 21:11:09




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 Re: Question Hydraulic dump wagon in reply to Remus, 11-30-2004 17:00:32  
The 7 X 14 size may be a hold over from the 2 row mounted corn picker days of 40 inch rows. You had 10 ft to play with, minus the 7 ft of the wagon leaves 1.5 ft per side to the next row of corn.
Anybody else have any ideas?



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Tim(nj)

12-01-2004 10:01:26




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 Re: Question Hydraulic dump wagon in reply to Heat Houser, 11-30-2004 21:11:09  
Here"s my theory. A lot of farms around here had drive-through type corn crib buildings. Before elevators came along, the wagon would be pulled into the building and the corn would be shovelled off into the cribs on either side of the alleyway through doors about 4"above the side of the wagon. These buildings all seemed to have alleyways that were 8 feet wide. The sliding end doors were also 8 feet wide A 7 foot wide wagon would leave only 6 inches on either side, so two people standing in the wagon could unload from both sides at the same time with scoop shovels. When elevators and hydraulic hoists came along, frugal farmers would of course use their old wagon with a new hoist underneath. Since the wagons were often stored in the alleyway between cribs when not in use, new wagons with hoists where built to the same width.

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Led

11-30-2004 19:17:40




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 Re: Question Hydraulic dump wagon in reply to Remus, 11-30-2004 17:00:32  
Width is important when you have to haul, measure your trailer. Old wagons don"t trail well above 30 mph.
Just something to consider.

Led



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jason(ma)

11-30-2004 18:46:08




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 Re: Question Hydraulic dump wagon in reply to Remus, 11-30-2004 17:00:32  
are you talking about dump wagons like richardton/sunflower ones? I'd have to check but they make two different capacities. I think the bigger one is mostly longer ( I'd have to go measure )



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paul

11-30-2004 17:29:33




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 Re: Question Hydraulic dump wagon in reply to Remus, 11-30-2004 17:00:32  
I wouldn't know of any 'problem', tho the wider it is the less stable (tipping on hills/ stuck loads).

If you plan to fill it to the same hight, obviously you are greatly increasing the load on the wagon lift by increasing the size of the wagon by that much, possibly overloading it & breaking something....

The longer it is the harder the lift has to lift. You can keep the same wheelbase, otherwise the lift won't lift as high, but then the tail will get rather low for dumping into an elevator, and the hitch will seem a bit short. Things like that. Not real problems unless these things are critical to your use.

--->Paul

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tim[in]

12-01-2004 17:45:15




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 Re: Question Hydraulic dump wagon in reply to paul, 11-30-2004 17:29:33  
plus if you use a pull type picker. the wagon needs to fit behind when you open up a field. my grandfathers wagon was 7' of the inside of the box. plus on the length there is also the storage facter or when picking corn a lot of farmers needed a wagon that would turn on very few endrows. one neighbor used only 8 endrows.that way it didnt take so long to open the field. and less rows on the end for weeds to grow. actually considered making a wagon 7' x 12'

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paul

12-02-2004 06:09:29




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 Re: Question Hydraulic dump wagon in reply to tim[in], 12-01-2004 17:45:15  
Yea, even with the Gleaner we ran 8wide rows for end rows. took a while for me to get smart & plant 12.... ;)

Watched the butter plant in town burn for several hours last night. Supposed to be the biggest butter plant in the nation. 3 million lbs of butter melted & burned & ran to the river. Not good thoughts for the holiday season, plant is mostly destroyed....

--->Paul



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Mattlt

12-02-2004 08:49:07




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 Re: Question Hydraulic dump wagon in reply to paul, 12-02-2004 06:09:29  
Paul,

I live about 45 minutes north of New Ulm, and was amazed by the TV scenes of this fire as well.

Did the fire departments eventually back off to let it burn? I'd imagine they would have liked to keep as much of this butter out of the MN River as possible. As a firefighter myself, I'd hate to come across a situation like this.

Any word if AMPI will rebuild?

Matt.



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paul

12-02-2004 09:25:40




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 Re: Question Hydraulic dump wagon in reply to Mattlt, 12-02-2004 08:49:07  
First - I know, I'm one who is opposed to off-topic messages.... ;) But.... ;)

I think rebuilding will be a tough call. Shortage of milk in the region, and they had talked about moving south about 3 years ago (during contract negotiations...). They are on a hill land-locked near downtown, just not a good location, no room to expand, semis are not so welcome in the area.....

Warehouse & cooler areas are gutted & collapsed, they are actually unloading semis this morning but wonder where the milk will go? The recieving building looks ok, the front of the processing building is standing, but smoke & water out the doors. My totally wild guess is rebuilding will depend on how this part of the building is - if it can be saved or not. If the equipment is a total loss, take the insurance & relocate... And if you relocate, head to where the milk & cheap labor is????? I donno.

The NU departement tried to go in & fight it, but the grease started floating around, they tried in three locations/ times, but had to back out. At least the temps were only below freezing, not bitter cold. And the wind was almost still. This plant is next to the town power plant, lots of LP & such nearby, plus a testing labs on the same block, and downtown business is on the next block uphill.... They set up their ladder & got Sleepy Eye's ladder truck, and sprayed it a lot. I would assume the plan was to control it, but had to let it go for a while. I see this morning they knocked a wall down to get in better with the water. Nothing burning any more, but I saw 25 fire fighters standing/ working around yet this forenoon. The whole dept is ony 30 people I believe. A long day for them. Everything, them, equipment, streets, sidewalks, are coated in ice & butter today.....

On the hill, the butter/ water mix headed to the river down the curb, they were diking it by 7:30 last night, but quite a bit got in the storm sewer & into the river.

There was a tallow/ grease fire in NU a few decades ago, I remember hearing from firefighting folks how difficult that was, any where you spray water, the burning grease just floats off & ignites something else.... Can't get it out.

Three million lbs of butter for a fuel source - wow. The best bet for starting it is an air compressor that went bad.

--->Paul

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Mattlt

12-02-2004 11:01:14




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 Re: Question Hydraulic dump wagon in reply to paul, 12-02-2004 09:25:40  
Thanks for the update. You never seem to get the whole story from the TV news; always nice to get it from someone who is there.

I suppose the environmental-type folks will get involved if they try to rebuild in the area ("remember all that butter that went into the river last time...")

It's too bad, Minnesota's dairy industry is in enough trouble, then to have something like this happen.

I worked in a creamery (Bongards) many years ago, and always remember what a pain it was when the floors were full of butterfat. Don't even want to imagine what firefighting conditions would have been like.

--Matt.

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paul

12-02-2004 12:04:48




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 Re: Question Hydraulic dump wagon in reply to Mattlt, 12-02-2004 11:01:14  
Yea, the rye mill burned down a few decades ago, we used to deliver there all the time. There were trucks hauling in from a 5 state region. Not sure where a person would sell rye now. Part of the old rye mill wall is still sitting there - about a block from this butter plant. Hate to lose these places, they go away & don't reappear...

Whole town smells like lightly burned buttery popcorn.....

If they had any room there to expand a bit, but they are hemmed in, the one expansion area is a corridor for the town utilites like steam heat, LP & NG, and so on. Can't see that moving. So they really just can't do a containment pond deal....

New Ulm also has the big Kraft plant, all types of cheese, and I think it is Bongards that makes all types of powder from milk - if not Bongards, some co. Sleey Eye up the road has the big Anderson's Processing that works with some type of powdering milk also. A lot of white fluid around here.

What might help is that the AMPI headquarters business office is here in town also.....

--->Paul

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Mattlt

12-02-2004 12:23:13




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 Re: Question Hydraulic dump wagon in reply to paul, 12-02-2004 12:04:48  
When I worked at Bongards in the mid 80's, they made block and barrel cheese, (lots of the processed govt commidity variety) butter, and whey powder. I thought I heard a while back they were no longer making butter, not sure if that's true?

I had forgotten about the Kraft plant in New Ulm. The smaller creameries in my area all seem to be closing down. Not many left. Milk gets trucked so far it's almost got to be spoiled by the time it gets to the plant ;-)

Matt.

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paul

12-05-2004 09:04:32




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 Re: Question Hydraulic dump wagon in reply to Mattlt, 12-02-2004 12:23:13  
Big issue now - NU & other fire depts are facing throwing away much of their equipment - about a mile of fire hose, nearly all suits, straps for air tanks, radios, etc are so soaked with butter that they are unsafe, & the butterfat does not want to clean out....

--->Paul



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