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wondering

11-24-2004 19:44:16




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I was wondering if a john deere 1240 4 row plateless planter could be converted to a no-till. Could I get no-till coulters to fit on it? I would also imagine something would be needed for closing wheels to.
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JMS/MN

11-26-2004 17:16:38




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 Re: JD 1240 planter in reply to wondering, 11-24-2004 19:44:16  
The 7000 came out in 1974, so the 1240 is over 30 years old, and built too light. The 7000 was not originally engineered for no-til, but I think it would be ok, although weight needs to be added and would stress it more. For min-til you need to add hold-down springs, etc., and no-til would require front coulters. Anything you bolt onto a 1240 would lose half it's value once you drop it in the field. Attachments do that, and the planter is worth almost nothing now.

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firedog

11-26-2004 16:35:52




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 Re: JD 1240 planter in reply to wondering, 11-24-2004 19:44:16  
John Deere offered bolt-on colters as an option for the 1240 planter. They were shown in the operator's manual. Finding them will probably be the the dificult part.
The suggestions made about finding a nice used 7000 no-till might be the way to go.
Good Luck!



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RickL

11-26-2004 04:57:52




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 Re: JD 1240 planter in reply to wondering, 11-24-2004 19:44:16  
I wouldn't waste the time messing with that unit. Get you a 7000 Series Deere or 800 series IH both would do fine. Only advantage is Ih unit will do it easier with less attachmwnts than the Deere unit in my use anyway. Have both units available for sale if that would help.



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Scotty

11-25-2004 09:39:17




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 Re: JD 1240 planter in reply to wondering, 11-24-2004 19:44:16  
You can; But You are going to have a lot of problems pop up...

1) plant accuracy will decrease with the rougher terrain.
2) Better know how to weld; Cause all the joints are going to be stressed a lot more.
3) You'll need to add a lot of weight to keep keep the planter in the ground.

I grew up around a "494A" planter that couldnt maintain good depth well at all in near drought condtions after plowing, disking. There is a good chance You might buy a "7000" cheaper, & it will do a far better job in No - Till. If You want real cheap then the Allis, or Agco brands of the mid 1980's can be bought for under $1,000 if You look around hard. I still remember seeing one work for (cant remember what model) on a farm about 1982 in which 4 foot high fescue grass was knocked down, and cut completely off, & it mantained uniform depth in No - Till corn. I am still impressed about that Allis while I sit here over 20 years later! I would still go with the JD since they are a more stable company. Scotty

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Indydirtfarmer

11-26-2004 04:59:07




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 Re: JD 1240 planter in reply to Scotty, 11-25-2004 09:39:17  
The Deere 7000 series planter is sorta like the small block Chevy engine. It's been around a while, and there are TONS of good aftermarket parts available for it.

ANY planter can be converted to a no-till unit. We started no-tilling before the Max-Emerge planters came on the market. Dad "converted" a 694 Deere planter for our first 3 seasons of no-tilling. When the 7000 first came on the scene, they were a natural for no-till work. Parts became easy to get (Coulters, row-cleaners, ect)

We used the same 4 row planter for the next 23 years. It has been re-built and re-engineered several times. Finally, 3 seasons ago, I finally went to 8 row....YEP! Another Deere. Max-Emerge II technology.

There are plenty of good 7000series planters out there, some at good prices. Then you can take your Shoup catalogue, or whatever parts house you like, and tailor it to fit your needs...WITH BOLT-ON PARTS. No need to weld, bend, grind, or cut.

The 7000 has enough built-in wieght to get your planter in the ground. It has enough heft to handle the pounding that no-tilling will dish out.

If you're like most of us, planting time is all RUSH-RUSH. No time to stop every few minutes and get the welder out. Find a 7000 series and THEN start your modifying. JMHO John

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paul

11-25-2004 21:57:38




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 Re: JD 1240 planter in reply to Scotty, 11-25-2004 09:39:17  
I kinda gotta agree while it is possible, there are a lot better ways to invest your money.

A 7000 would be a much better starter machine, as well as these other machines.

--->Paul



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msb

11-25-2004 08:53:03




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 Re: JD 1240 planter in reply to wondering, 11-24-2004 19:44:16  
I have yet to see a planter that could not be adapted to no-till.One option that would work is to build a 3 point hitch toolbar with a couple coulters per row mounted on the toolbar and add enough weight for the coulters to penetrate .That way the planter would not have to track exactly behind the coulters all the time.That would also give you a small area of worked soil to plant into and it will give the exact same contion to plant in as soil that has been totally tilled.I use two 1" wavy coulters per row,spaced 5"apart mounted on a 12 row Kinze planter and it works great.I have been planting in a tilled zone for 13 years now.I wouldn't do it any other way now.

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msb

11-25-2004 08:52:16




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 Re: JD 1240 planter in reply to wondering, 11-24-2004 19:44:16  
I have yet to see a planter that could not be adapted to no-till.One option that would work is to build a 3 point hitch toolbar with a couple coulters per row mounted on the toolbar and add enough weight for the coulters to penetrate .That way the planter would not have to track exactly behind the coulters all the time.That would also give you a small area of worked soil to plant into and it will give the exact same contion to plant in as soil that has been totally tilled.I use two 1" wavy coulters per row,spaced 5"apart mounted on a 12 row Kinze planter and it works great.I have been planting in a tilled zone for 13 years now.I wouldn't do it any other way now.

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John51

11-25-2004 06:04:34




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 Re: JD 1240 planter in reply to wondering, 11-24-2004 19:44:16  
Don't wonder about it too long. The planter is too old and no one makes what you're looking for. I'm sure with a little work and a lot of thinking you could adapt parts to fit, but there are two problems. First, you will get an unbelievable amount of money tied up in an old planter. It would be much less expensive to buy a 7000 instead. Second, you will discover that the frame of the 1240 is neither strong enough nor heavy enough for tough no-til conditions anyway. Sorry.

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