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Tom S. in Tn.

11-22-2004 05:33:48




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I have a problem with a Hesston 5580 making bales too tight/dense in the center making them hard to unroll. The ends look ok.
I baled this year with the tension settings midway and tried to fill the chamber from the sides. Should I set density to the lightest setting?
How about 'crowder wheels' to help side fill this 5' chamber?
Thanx; Tom S.




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Hay Dr

11-23-2004 05:15:04




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 Big Windrows make better bales in reply to Tom S. in Tn., 11-22-2004 05:33:48  
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Ideally if you have a windrow the width of your baler and 2-3" high you will make the best bales with this situation. You might want to look to a V-Wheel rake. They will make a big windrow and take the weaving out of baling. New Hay Max 8 wheel rakes that rake 20" in each pass start at $1,950.

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txblu

11-23-2004 05:56:20




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 Re: Big Windrows make better bales in reply to Hay Dr, 11-23-2004 05:15:04  
Local custom baler recently bought a Vee wheel rake. Real neat for him as he can run his tractor at lightening speed down the highway and get to the field faster.

But you ought to see what the windrows look like. Yucko. I watched him bale them afterwards, and I couldn't believe that he was able to bale them and not leave half of it on the ground or stuck in the entrance gate.

Second problem I have with wheels is wind and fine grass. On a windy day, you can't rake bermuda and when you work in town to make a living, you can't be choosy and wait for a windless day. Besides, where I live it is said that the wind blows harder and more often than in Chicago!

I'll take the parallel bar.

Mark

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Kent in NB

11-22-2004 17:36:13




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 Re: Large bale density in reply to Tom S. in Tn., 11-22-2004 05:33:48  
I use a CASE-IH 3450 soft core ,5 foot wide baler. We double row everything and crowd each side of the chamber equally. To do this is easy.Get your bale started, then drive over to one side of the row and fill for 8 to 10 seconds, then switch to the other side 8-10 seconds, and repeat the process until the bale is complete. This makes a very square -shouldered bale and uniform shape. They stack better and the pile doesn,t sag in storage. A big wide row will give egg-shaped bales that are hard to stack and waste time and storage space. Don,t weave when baling, and you will make great bales. You don,t need an expensive bale moniter to make consistent bales. Just use your noggin and count it out !

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Tom S. in Tn.

11-23-2004 06:19:15




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 Massey #36 swather/#42 conditioner in reply to Kent in NB, 11-22-2004 17:36:13  
I cut and windrow with this machine, rake 2 rows together just before baling with a 4 wheel M&W 3pt rake behind a 1900 Ford compact. Occassionally I turn the double row upside down if it has gotten moist or slow curing etc. with the rake before baling. I have a PZ tedder/rake that I use to scatter after swathing thick slow curing areas.
Bottom line is the windrow can be just so narrow, and it is always a tad more than 1/2 width of the baler pickup, meaning the center of the bale will always have more hay than the ends, unless the pickup can overrun the windrow.
I still wonder about how effective "crowder wheels" are at putting hay in the pick-up, and how much they leave in the field. The pickup needs to be wider than the chamber. Or what am I not thinking of?
Thanx; Tom S.

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Sid

11-22-2004 18:23:27




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 Re: Large bale density in reply to Kent in NB, 11-22-2004 17:36:13  
What you have just described is what we call weaving. It seems we do just about the same thing only you described it better. You called you baler a soft core baler is it a fixed chamber baler?



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Kent in NB

11-23-2004 04:48:28




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 Re: Large bale density in reply to Sid, 11-22-2004 18:23:27  
Yes, chamber is fixed. Soft core allows for air movement in center. The center is compressed by the last hay going in the baler. So your outside wraps will be much tighter and dense than the core. Cows and heifers seem to eat easier than JD hardcore bales. CASE/IH(New Idea) and John Deere are all I have experience with. Weaving around here means constant back and forth acoss the row. Like anything, a little experimentation will help to find a happy medium.

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Sid

11-23-2004 05:26:46




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 Re: Large bale density in reply to Kent in NB, 11-23-2004 04:48:28  
Thanks



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Sid

11-22-2004 17:28:23




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 Re: Large bale density in reply to Tom S. in Tn., 11-22-2004 05:33:48  
It is my experience that the rakeman has a lot to do with making the bale. I double windrow and try to rake them laying side by side not rolled together. I have not baled much with a five foot width but the Ones around here that do the best baling jobs with the wide balers weave when they bale. They say don"t worry about the middle just keep the ends even the middle will take care of itself. It is my opinion that the "tucker wheels" as I call them or crowder wheels are a helpful in making a good looking bale. I do not believe that lessing the tension will affect the unrolling of the bale but it is a moisture as Nebraska Cowman mentioned.

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Nebraska Cowman

11-22-2004 10:39:57




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 Re: Large bale density in reply to Tom S. in Tn., 11-22-2004 05:33:48  
If your hay is hard to unroll it is because you baled it too wet. Believe me, I do know



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Tom S. in Tn.

11-22-2004 15:43:20




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 Ditto...... in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 11-22-2004 10:39:57  
After taking time to study it, I believe you are correct.
But I still have to fight that 5' chamber to fill the sides. I do not know how to make a windrow that wide.
Thanx; Tom S.



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kyhayman

11-22-2004 20:13:41




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 Re: Ditto...... in reply to Tom S. in Tn., 11-22-2004 15:43:20  
5' chamber fill.....

Assuming a 4 or 5 bar rake. Two options: 1. Make a 2-1/2' windrow and feed it evenly on each side 10 secs or so each. 2. Rake in towand the center of the field 2-3 x around. Then move over 2-3 rake widths and rake back. No rule says you have to go 1x or 2x in ad then 1 x out. Even better to rake 1x around and then go back and forth. I normally do this and throw 1x in and 3x out to get enough room to turn in my head lands pulling 2 rakes.

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Nebraska Cowman

11-22-2004 17:36:54




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 Re: Ditto...... in reply to Tom S. in Tn., 11-22-2004 15:43:20  
just rake up a narrow windrow and then drive first on one side and then the other. practice you'll get it right. People ask about learning to bale; I say, "the baler will teach you"



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txblu

11-22-2004 06:20:30




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 Re: Large bale density in reply to Tom S. in Tn., 11-22-2004 05:33:48  
I have a 5580 with the 3 springs. Has 8 ea 5" belts. Do not have the crowder wheels. Primarily bale sudan while it's young and tender. Never tried to unroll a bale.

My gut feel is that if you want to unroll one, you want it loosely packed so you only want to use 2 springs per side and your pressure settings on the lightest notch.

Additionally I would suggest the pickup wide open and run as big a windrow as you can get in with the baler going forward as fast as it can bale.

All that should minimize the pressure on the belts, maximize the amount of hay while minimizing the time for it to "pack" which should result in a very sloppy bale that can be unrolled easily.

I think you want to stay centered on the row and not go back and forth.....just have a very fat row. Reason is that this should give you a single layer of hay in the chamber rather than Hay that came in to form the left side and a ways down the field more hay came in to fill the right side. I realize your bale will have a barrel shape but I think this is what it will take to do what you want to do.

Also, I'd move the outside ties in like 6 to 8" from the sides so they won't slide off.

Long stemmy crop will help too.

HTH.

Mark

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