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Rod in Smiths F

11-20-2004 14:47:38




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The farmer next door has just finished combining his field of soybeans and ragweed. The annual ragweed crop is doing very well as the combine apparently reseeds it as it harvests the beans.

I remember back in the '60s getting bags of weed seeds from another neighbour's tractor-drawn combine to spread around my duck swamp. His fields didn't need spraying, partly because the combine harvested weeds as well as grain.

I'd like to try growing beans or wheat without pesticides, don't want to make an organic mess like the field of the guy next door. Any chance of getting a small combine which does a good job of capturing weed seeds?

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cockshuttguy

11-23-2004 16:29:57




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 Re: Organic combine? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2004 14:47:38  
An AC 66 All Crop Harvestor with a Skour Kleen unit will take all the weed seeds out of your crop and place it in a bag fastened in front of the grain bin. I'll have a 66 for sale with a cleaner and a spare cleaner for parts in August of 2005.



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farmerboybill

11-22-2004 18:01:43




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 Re: Organic combine? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2004 14:47:38  
Farm Show magazine had an article a number of years ago on a system that removed all grain, chaff, and weed seeds from the field, leaving nothing but the straw. When you bale the straw you can gaurantee it weed seed free and the weed seeds would be gone from the field as well. The company is Mcleod harvesting based out of Manitoba and the website is mcleodharvest.com

You'd really hafta be able to think outside the box to like this idea. I like it and think I could do a lower cost alternative by removing the chaffers and sieves and shutting down the fan in a 6600 or 6620 and have a burned out 8820 sitting at the farm with an electric motor on it to run the chaffers and sieves. I'd have a feed mill behind the 8820 with a small screen in it to try to destroy the weeds seeds collected. My other idea was to roast the chaff before feeding it, kinda like you roast soybeans Of course, I'd need to modify the 6620 to handle the extra "stuff" by maybe putting a larger clean grain elevator and grain tank on it(maybe off the burned out 8820). Dunno how well it'd work....

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paul

11-21-2004 08:49:48




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 Re: Organic combine? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2004 14:47:38  
You are refering to a Scour Klean (Clean????).

You can adjust the combine to gather the small weed seeds and screen them out at the bin site.

I would work harder on not growing the weeds to begin with. Much of the weed seed will fall out at the header anyhow, you won't gain as much as you think by collecting the weed seeds.

--->Paul



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tim[in]

11-20-2004 22:34:41




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 Re: Organic combine? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2004 14:47:38  
if you are going "certified organic" , then you need to clean the combine and keep detailed records of the dates ,procedures,etc. i would also consider using a "flamer" in addition to a rotary hoe or spring tooth weeder. you may want to watch the forecast to try planting where you can get back in. it might mean delaying planting or planting earlier than planned.like the others said get them early before the weeds emerge.. one guy told me to use a pane of glass to test a small area . it will speed up the emergence and you can get a head start on the field by being able to plan a few days ahead ,of when you need to get in to hoe,flame,or harrow.one good sized grower in new york uses a harrow to kill weeds in drilled beans and gets good results i am told.

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RobN

11-20-2004 21:20:47




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 Re: Organic combine? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2004 14:47:38  
I think you're referring to the Hart "Scour Kleen" which was an option back in the 50's - 60's on several combines, JD for sure. It fitted on the end end of the grain tank auger and separated and bagged the fine weed seeds out of the sample. A previous post mentioned you can do the same thing by cleaning them out when the grain is augered from the truck/wagon into the bin. However, what you need is a chaff saver/wagon set-up which will collect the fine seeds that go over the sieves with the chaff and end up on the ground. Reddekof (sic?) out of Saskatoon make such a system. HTH.

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RobN

11-22-2004 18:36:19




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 Re: Organic combine? in reply to RobN, 11-20-2004 21:20:47  
I re-read my post (probably not always a good idea). My wording is a little fuzzy. The machine was attached to the outlet of the clean grain elevator that delivers the sample into the grain tank. The cleaner separated the small seeds and bagged them. I imagine as acreage increased and the combines got bigger this became unmanageable. It reads like I meant the separator was attached to the grain tank unloading auger - not so.

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msb

11-20-2004 15:00:47




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 Re: Organic combine? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-20-2004 14:47:38  
Two Thoughts: First use a rotary hoe before you see the weeds emerge,and while they are still without any color(white),usually a few days before you think the time is right.You can kill a lot of weed seedlings this way.Might want to consider hoeing more than once, a few days apart.The other is find a combine that has a scourclean attachment on it.They do a pretty good job of cleaning up dirty grain. A third possibility would be to run very little air on the cleaning shoe capturing nearly all the weed seed.Then run the grain over a fan mill to remove the weed seeds.You would have to watch the grain very closely for the weed seed could start heating up fairly quickly.

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Gerald J.

11-20-2004 16:49:32




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 Re: Nice theory in reply to msb, 11-20-2004 15:00:47  
Nice theory but it wouldn't have worked for my beans this year. I planted May 16, it rained May 17, then May 18, and up to 3 inches May 21 (up to ten or twelve inches ten miles away that day). All opportunities for rotary hoeing were gone. This is not the first time this has happened in the past ten years in Central Iowa. So I planned ahead and gave up on pseudo organic. I bought Glystar plus and built a sprayer. Raised 49 bushel beans with less work and fuel, ten more per acre than my best previous avoiding chemicals.

Sometimes classical cultivation doesn't work here due to late spring and early summer weather. Seems like more than sometimes, more like most times.

Gerald J.

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Leland

11-20-2004 15:08:33




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 Re: Organic combine? in reply to msb, 11-20-2004 15:00:47  
Just buy a grain cleaner, one farmer in area never sprayed and used a 510 massey,and had to use a loader to move piles of weed seed from around auger.



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