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Rod in Smiths F

11-17-2004 19:17:12

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Is there any real difference?

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paul

11-18-2004 06:46:05

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Re: Diesel vs Furnace fuel in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-17-2004 19:17:12

It is possible to have furnace fuel that does not have the additives for injectors.

Practically, all suppliers around me don't save enough to bother with yet another storage tank & piping system for the very minor price difference.

So, all #2 is the same, and all #1 is the exact same stuff.

You can always burn diesel fuel in your furnace. Always.

There is a small chance your furnace fuel will be without the lubricity additives for the pump, but 80% of the time it's all coming from the same tank, engine fuel. Ask your supplier to be sure.

Re: dye - it is added to diesel / furnace fuels to indicate it does not have road taxes paid on it. It does not indicate anything about type or quality of fuel - just the fact that no road taxes are paid. you can use this dyed fuel in off-road 'vehicles' like tractors, furnaces, tug boats, etc. It still can be #1, #2, or so forth.....

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Fixerupper

11-18-2004 19:31:40

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Re: Diesel vs Furnace fuel in reply to paul, 11-18-2004 06:46:05

I have read an owner's manual for a Volkswagen diesel and it did indeed mention using gasoline in the diesel fuel to prevent gelling and I have talked to truckers who have done it too. My diesels will NEVER have any gasoline added to the fuel. I wonder how many of our diesel supply tanks have a little gas in them that came from the fuel supplier?

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Tx Jim

11-18-2004 04:21:13

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Is furnace fuel dyed in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-17-2004 19:17:12

No furnace fuel here in Tx. but is it dyed?

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paul

11-18-2004 20:37:58

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Re: Is furnace fuel dyed in reply to Tx Jim, 11-18-2004 04:21:13

You got some interesting replies..... ;)

Anyhow, since it could be used in a motor vehicle, yes it is. The patrols check diesel pickups & trucks, and if dye is in your tank, big big fines.

Dye in the fuel _only_ signifies it has not had road tax paid on it. It does not indicate anything else at all.

Fuel comes as straight 2 (summer), straight 1 (winter - closer to kerosene) or a 'winter blend' made up of the 2 and/or an anti-gel. You can't tell anything from the dye, other than it has not had taxes paid on it.

Some dye gasoline as well, other areas do not - for the road tax, or lack of.

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Kelly C

11-19-2004 18:57:32

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Re: Is furnace fuel dyed in reply to paul, 11-18-2004 20:37:58

Hey Paul in MN can you buy off rd Gasoline?
WOuldnt mind shaving about 30 cents a gal of the gas for my 460 :-)

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Leland

11-18-2004 09:39:25

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Re: Is furnace fuel dyed in reply to Tx Jim, 11-18-2004 04:21:13

You guys need to find some polar power with Z4 it is a fuel treatment I used to use and best part was it turned fuel blood red cops hated it.But always had a bottle in cab.

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Jeff Wenner

11-18-2004 09:11:31

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Re: Is furnace fuel dyed in reply to Tx Jim, 11-18-2004 04:21:13

Here in Pa, regular Deisel is clear, off road deisel(same as home heating oil) is dyed red. The only difference is that heating oil dosn't come with an anti gelling additive. We add it ourself to our tractor fuel to keep it from gelling up in supzero weather. I don't suppose you have much of a problem with that in Texas.

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Jeff Wenner

11-18-2004 09:10:57

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Re: Is furnace fuel dyed in reply to Tx Jim, 11-18-2004 04:21:13

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Txsprigger

11-18-2004 06:13:48

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Re: Is furnace fuel dyed in reply to Tx Jim, 11-18-2004 04:21:13

There is some kerosene around, but it is getting harder to find.

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buickanddeere

11-18-2004 21:17:19

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Re: Is furnace fuel dyed in reply to Txsprigger, 11-18-2004 06:13:48

Airports sell Jet A and Jet A-1, which is a high quality kerosene. Super clean burning stuff too. Price is cheaper than purchasing kerosene from the local gas station pumps. Mike in Exetor, home of the vicious White Polar Squirrels. Last year in Goderich at that last gas station east of town on Hwy #8 by the big box stores. I thought their kerosene was a good price at 62.9 cents per litre. The attendent then told me they had to doule the face price on the pump as it ran out of numbers above 99.9 cents per liter.

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Txsprigger

11-18-2004 06:08:41

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Re: Is furnace fuel dyed in reply to Tx Jim, 11-18-2004 04:21:13

There is some kerosene around, but it is getting harder to find.

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Txsprigger

11-18-2004 06:03:37

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Re: Is furnace fuel dyed in reply to Tx Jim, 11-18-2004 04:21:13

There is some kerosene around, but it is getting harder to find.

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Michael Soldan

11-18-2004 05:30:25

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Re: Is furnace fuel dyed in reply to Tx Jim, 11-18-2004 04:21:13

Tx Jim, in Ontario diesel fuel for farm use is dyed. This way the MTO can check your diesel truck and fine you for evading the road tax on fuel. Diesels using our highways run clear diesel that has about$.50 tax a gallon for road maintenance. Furnace fuels have no need to be dyed other than preventing use in a diesel truck and again, avoiding road tax...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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dennis in nc

11-18-2004 04:12:09

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Re: Diesel vs Furnace fuel in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-17-2004 19:17:12

the truck goes from the main house to the barn same stuff

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JMS/MN

11-17-2004 22:49:10

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Re: Diesel vs Furnace fuel in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-17-2004 19:17:12

#1 diesel = #1 fuel oil. #2 diesel= #2 fuel oil. Same question comes up every year.

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Michael Soldan

11-17-2004 19:46:31

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Re: Diesel vs Furnace fuel in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-17-2004 19:17:12

Rod that's a good question and I can only give you a part answer. A few winters ago our road was closed for about four days before the plows could go back on the road. A neighbour of mine phoned his fuel dealer to say he was just about out of furnace oil and could they get to him as soon as the road got opened. Well the fuel dealer told him to fill up a few fuel cans with diesel and dump them in the tank to ensure he didn't run out.I think furnace oil has some more kerosene base in it than diesel fuel but it burns the same. I asked for "winter diesel " from the fuel man the other day and he said they would bring some out...had to mix some stove oil with it so it won't gel, and that's what winter diesel is...you can add up to 10% gasoline to diesel fuel for volkswagons in sub temperatures, many truckers add gasoline to diesel for their Northern Ontario runs when its 30 or 40 below, just keeps it from gelling..meanwhile I have a wood stove downstairs in the family room that I keep stoked up on those cold Ontario winter nights and I don't use the heating oil that some folks do. I was down in Smith's Falls many years ago with the OHA Senior A Hockey club, The Exeter Mohawks, we played in a Canadian Senior hockey semi final for the Hardy Cup, Canada's senior hockey crown, lived out of a suitcase for 10 days and we lost the series to Smith's Falls...nice place to visit....Mike in Exeter Ontario

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JK-NY

11-18-2004 17:50:55

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Re: Diesel vs Furnace fuel in reply to Michael Soldan, 11-17-2004 19:46:31

I have never heard of adding gasoline to diesel fuel for cold weather . Are you sure you dont mean Kerosene. Here in Upstate NY it is common to run a winter blend of 70% diesel fuel and 30% kerosene to prevent fuel gelling , waxing etc and some people add an anti gel additive besides that, also may go to 60-40 or even 50-50. I remember when we got one of our first diesel IH school buses where I worked and saw the head bolts broken and blown head gasket from putting gas in the fuel tank (the bus driver did it by accident)so I wouldnt reccomend mixing gas and diesel.As to the original post there can be a difference in diesel fuel as newer engines in trucks use a low sulphur diesel fuel whereas regular #2 fuel used for furnace fuel oil and diesel fuel will have a higher sulphur content. Fuel oil and offroad diesel are high sulphur (same thing)with the red dye added.

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masseyman50

11-17-2004 19:37:09

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Re: Diesel vs Furnace fuel in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-17-2004 19:17:12

winter diesel fuel and furnace oil are the same

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tim[in]

11-18-2004 17:52:40

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Re: Diesel vs Furnace fuel in reply to masseyman50, 11-17-2004 19:37:09

there is #2 died low sulfur that some use for furnace oil.there is still i believe a high sulfur #2 dyed , that some use for furnace oil. it depends on the terminal that your supplier gets the fuel from. always was a pain in the neck trying to make sure we got the right stuff loaded. be nice if they would just let them mark a box on the year end taxes and keep us from having to make sure we dont get the 2 mixed up and in the wrong tanks. spent the last 8 + years hauling gas and diesel.real pain! also #1 clear and actual K#1 available too. real fun is when customer wants it mixed . most have eliminated the high sulfur and just sell #2 low sulfur dyed and put it down as high sulfur on the bill of lading.

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