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HoyBoy

11-16-2004 03:15:56

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What should I look for when buying a used wheel disc? I found one the size that I want (10').
It's an IH. The discs are all around 17" diameter and they are not bent or cracked. The disc blades are smooth front and rear and the spacing is 9". The disc has new tires on it(not floatation),all the scrapers are there and are adjusted properly. All the gangs turn freely and quietly. It has a place on the back where you could hook up a packer etc. The angle adjustment is made buy turning a crank. I have an Allis Chalmers D17 tractor and I have an AC hydraulic cylinder to use on implements. The work I'll be doing is after plowing sod, I'll need to work up an area to eventully plant hay. I'm going to start with about 5 acres and expand to as much as 30 acres over a period of time. I'm thinking this would be a good disc to buy, but since I've never bought one before, I thought I'd ask for some input from this board.

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sawtooth

11-16-2004 19:10:23

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to HoyBoy, 11-16-2004 03:15:56

If you have access to and know what you want to plant next year, why not plow the sod now? The winter freeze and thaws will make the sod clumps much easier to deal with in the spring regardless of what tool you use.

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James2

11-16-2004 10:19:34

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to HoyBoy, 11-16-2004 03:15:56

Research has shown that you really only have one chance to breakup plowed ground with a disc. Subsequent passes you are primarily limited to rearranging the clods from the first pass. If you have a harrow to pull behind the disc, or will quickly follow the first pass discing with an immediate harrowing (before the moisture is gone), you will be ok with a 9 inch spacing. Otherwise go with closer spaced disc which typically is 7.5 inches. Although 2.5 inches doesn't seem like much, it makes a big difference it making indestructible clods if you have a clay based soil. If you have a cultimulcher that makes 9 inch spacing more palatable. Use it to break up any clods you make.

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Chances R

11-16-2004 10:18:29

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to HoyBoy, 11-16-2004 03:15:56

I can tell you that different disk have different bearings with different prices to replace. I had a Case and if I remember right each bearing was over $50, I have a Oliver now and I believe they run about $20 a bearing. Keep in mind there are alot of bearings for a $250 - $500 piece of equipment.

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Chances R

11-16-2004 10:17:12

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Chances R

11-16-2004 10:14:29

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Leland

11-16-2004 07:30:19

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to HoyBoy, 11-16-2004 03:15:56

I just found an oliver disk like yours paid $250 at sale last weekend,only had 1 broken blade.

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RickL

11-16-2004 06:07:21

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to HoyBoy, 11-16-2004 03:15:56

Hoyboy; I have a disc mulcher which would be great for what you are wanting to do. It has disc blades up front,vibra shanks next then a large roller on the back. It works great for seeding after moldboard plowing. It gives you a very nice firm seedbed in on trip. hyd lift. I just don't need since I do all seeding with a notill drill I redesigned.

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RickL

11-16-2004 06:06:06

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to HoyBoy, 11-16-2004 03:15:56

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Allan in NE

11-16-2004 04:41:03

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to HoyBoy, 11-16-2004 03:15:56

HB,

Does it look something like this one, only smaller?

If so, that crank is the fore and aft leveling adjustment. Angle adjustment is controlled by manually removing the pins holding each gang and then pulling the outer edge of the gang either forward or back.

Allan

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Indydirtfarmer

11-16-2004 03:59:04

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to HoyBoy, 11-16-2004 03:15:56

You just described a decent disk. If it can be raised up, check the gang bearings for slop. If they seem tight, but still roll easily, you got yourself a good one.

Over the years, I've noticed that the physical appearance can tell you a lot about the way a piece of equipment has been treated. If it looks good, there's a real good chance it's been maintained. John

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Allan in NE

11-16-2004 04:42:46

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-16-2004 03:59:04

John,

Put up a picture of that little guy you use around the yard. Bet it is the same thing as what he is looking at.

Allan

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Indydirtfarmer

11-16-2004 04:54:05

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to Allan in NE, 11-16-2004 04:42:46

No can do! My photo file is on my home computer, and I'm at the salt mine right now...

That one I have is smaller yet. It's an 8'-6" model.

I'll put up a picture when I get home though.

I'm planning on installing my "Camedia" software on this computer soon.

Strictly work related though..... .John

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Indydirtfarmer

11-16-2004 15:05:05

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-16-2004 04:54:05

Here it is! This is the 8'-6" version of the model 350 IH disc. It is a lighter version of the model 370. It came in 7-1/2" or 9" disc spacings, and sizes ranging from 7'-3" to 13'-9". They were made in the late 60's on through the mid 70's. This one was bought new in 1972. They have replacable roller bearings. Also have good pounds per disc ratio. Nice piece of equipment, even if it isn't GREEN! John

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HoyBoy

11-16-2004 15:21:27

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-16-2004 15:05:05

Thanks to all for your input. I'm still not sure what to do since the one man talked about the cultimulcher and another man talked about going over the field with a harrow right after discing.
Then there's the whole 7.5" or 9" spacing thing.
At the risk of sounding really dumb, What do you mean by a Harrow? If seen equipment advertised as a disc harrow (looked like a disc to me)Do you mean something like a spring tooth drag? BTY, the disc looks a lot, if not exactly like what you have posted here. The ground I'll be working doesn't have much clay. HoyBoy

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James2

11-17-2004 09:50:32

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to HoyBoy, 11-16-2004 15:21:27

Yes you are correct, a disc is really a disc harrow. However, in our neck-of-the-woods when we talk harrow we are referring to either a spring or spike tooth harrow. The gentleman who mentioned fall plowing is correct that the freeze/thaw cycle will result in a fine seed bed. In this case I would consider skipping the disc harrow and using either a field cultivator or again a spring tooth harrow. I just sold a 18ft IH 45 with 4 bar Remmlinger (sp?) for $150 which included both the main and wing cylinders. They can be found cheap! If you don't have much clay, maybe the whole subject is merely academic, and just go and buy the disc.

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HoyBoy

11-17-2004 15:06:23

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to James2, 11-17-2004 09:50:32

Thanks again to all who replied. I really appreciated the exchange of information / opinions. HoyBoy

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HoyBoy

11-16-2004 15:36:49

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to HoyBoy, 11-16-2004 15:21:27

I just looked up "Harrow" "Something that pulverizes and smoothes the soil when it passes over it". O.K. This could be any number of things.
So if plowed first then used a disc, I could go over the field again but use for example, a spring tooth drag.
Right?
HoyBoy

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Indydirtfarmer

11-16-2004 15:36:42

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to HoyBoy, 11-16-2004 15:21:27

Don't let all the different opinions confuse you. It sounds like you've found a nice disc. Buy it!

The Harrow referred to is a drag you pull behind the disc. It levels any ridges, and gives more "finish" to the soil. Lots of old timers just pulled a log or a pipe behind the disc to accomplish the same end result.

A cultipacker pulled behind your disc will give you an excellent seed bed.

Good luck. John

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Ol Chief

11-23-2004 19:22:16

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Re: Buying a wheel disc in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-16-2004 15:36:42

I agree 100% w/Indydirtfarmer.Also if you can find a good cultipacker grab it In addition to making a fine seed bed I use it to break the crust formed after a rain soaked field has dried prior to seed germination on a newly planted field.WhereI live in Texas we usually cross disc second pass at 45 degrees.I have an IH disc which is probably much like your description. If you purchase and require bearings at a later date you may find them to be expensive.I have purchased after market bearings here for only $17.50 versus $70.00 at the dealer.

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