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Rod in S.F. Ont

11-06-2004 15:15:46




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I picked up today a 5' Lucknow, single-auger snowblower, rusty, but in very solid condition. The gentleman had run it on his 20 hp Ford compact tractor. The little diesel's hydraulic drive gives it infinite gear adjustments, so makes very good use of available power. He figured the blower would match my Massey Ferguson FE-35 diesel quite well.

The original owner of the blower, my vendor told me, had fabricated a pair of wings to give a bit more width. Unfortunately they weren't needed with the Ford, so they went for scrap.

Has anyone extended a 5' snowblower to cover the wheel width of a slightly larger tractor? The MF35's rear tread is about 5'6".

What's left of the wings seems to be a pair of strong tubes welded to the vertical cutting edges of the blower, and a plate added about 18" towards the tractor on each side as though you would fasten a chain to it.

I had to shorten the pto shaft to fit the Massey, but then the blower ran very smoothly. I put 50 oil into the gearbox temporarily. Should I replace it with something else? The gears seemed in good shape, though behind the inspection plate looked like a stagnant pond.

Any ideas, plans or pictures, please send along to [email protected].

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buickanddeere

11-08-2004 12:04:41




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 Re: New snowblower gloat in reply to Rod in S.F. Ontario, Cana, 11-06-2004 15:15:46  
By the way, where is S.F. Ontario?



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Rod in S.F. Ontario, Cana

11-08-2004 13:24:35




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 Where the heck is Smiths Falls? in reply to buickanddeere, 11-08-2004 12:04:41  
Smiths Falls, Rideau Canal and railway hub, lies between Ottawa and Kingston.



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buickanddeere

11-09-2004 19:13:35




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 Re: Where the heck is Smiths Falls? in reply to Rod in S.F. Ontario, Cana, 11-08-2004 13:24:35  
It's been a while since last seeing that part of the country. I'm within sight of Lake Huron's west coast.



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buickanddeere

11-07-2004 15:02:24




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 Re: New snowblower gloat in reply to Rod in S.F. Ontario, Cana, 11-06-2004 15:15:46  
The wings work in fluffy stuff but are a tough push in hardpack snow. As soon as I seen "Lucknow" snowblower I figured you were from south western Ontario. I have a "Hagadorn" single auger myself made just north of the swamp of Lucknow up in Bruce County. Large 30" auger and 7.0 ft wide. Makes a load for the 435 Deere. What was going on where the pto shaft had to be shortened? Pto and three point hitch measurements are all a universal standard. 50 wt motor oil is about the same thickness as 90wt gear oil. Still GL5 90wt is the safest bet. Get lots of the proper size and stregth shear pins before you start.

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Robert in W. Mi.

11-07-2004 18:57:59




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 Re: New snowblower gloat in reply to buickanddeere, 11-07-2004 15:02:24  
Pto and three point hitch measurements may be a "universal standard", but that doesn't mean everyone sticks to that standard!

I've had to cut drive lines to fit on tractors before, and also move the hitch pins too.

My 6' Woods rotary cutter has 3 sets of pins on it, depending on what tractor i'm useing it on that day!!

Robert



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Rod in S.F. Ontario, Cana

11-08-2004 13:32:58




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 Making the PTO shaft fit? in reply to Robert in W. Mi., 11-07-2004 18:57:59  
Ah, that sounds about right. This blower has two sets of pins on it, and the ones on the outside are alligned a little differently than the inboard ones.

The PTO shaft where it joins the gearbox looks as though it used to have a sliding key, but it's no longer there; instead there is a 3" 5/16" bolt which looks as though it might be a shear pin.

I had to re-drill its hole about 1 1/8" further in to get enough space to mount the PTO shaft and avoid the risk of binding at some heights. Maybe if I had put the shaft on before the rest, I wouldn't have needed to do that, but as I said, I'm new at this.

Anyway, once hooked up the blower spins just fine. It seems very well balanced mechanically, though it droops 1 1/2" to the right because I have one new tire and one older one.

When I tried tentatively to compensate by turning the thingie on the MF35's hitch arm, it didn't want to move. Any special tricks to adjusting the right arm on an FE35?

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Rod in S.F. Ontario, Cana

11-07-2004 17:35:36




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 Shortening PTO Shaft in reply to buickanddeere, 11-07-2004 15:02:24  
You asked why I had to shorten the shaft. I don't know; I'm new at this. The Lucknow has 3pt hitch pins inboard and outboard on the heavy angle of the blower chassis. My chains wouldn't let me pick up the outboard pins, so I went with the ones on the inside. This may have changed the dimensions, but I'd think that would lengthen the reach, rather than shorten it.

The donor tractor, however, was a compact Ford, and it might have slightly different geometry. I remember the vendor mentioning some problem with using the inboard pins, but he didn't go into detail.

The mount for the wings is a steel tube, as though they were designed to be removable in a couple of minutes. I'll try to send a photo to illustrate this.

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buickanddeere

11-08-2004 12:02:47




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 Re: Shortening PTO Shaft in reply to Rod in S.F. Ontario, Cana, 11-07-2004 17:35:36  
As you noted most reverse gears are 5 times too fast for blowing snow. I asked a Deere Engineer one time about why "R" stood for "race" instead of "reverse". Being from the southern US he had never heard tell of blowing snow or reverse gear being too fast. On a blower that small, the inboard pins will category 0 or I and the outsiders category I or II . I had to pull the category II pins from mine and install cat I on the inside to hook on.

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The main thing is to travel slow enough and let the blower throw the snow. Instead of just pushing snow backwards with the auger(s). With just 35 to 40 HP the 435 runs the blower fine with the fan 100% full and pushing snow a little. Haven't used tire chains but let the wheels spin instead of trying to push rather than blowing the snow. They are still making snowblowers and feed mixer wagons just south of Lucknow on Huron County Road #1. Father just had his dual auger blower's bearings replaced two years ago. Too fast a reverse and too much stress on the auger bearings.

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RWK in WI

11-06-2004 17:05:13




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 Re: New snowblower gloat in reply to Rod in S.F. Ontario, Cana, 11-06-2004 15:15:46  
My NH dealer happens to have a blower on his lot with wings on. To see picture copy and paste this :

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I know its long but it works. I hope this helps you.

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Rod in S.F. Ontario, Cana

11-07-2004 00:28:12




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 Re: New snowblower gloat in reply to RWK in WI, 11-06-2004 17:05:13  
Thank you for the picture.

Boy, that is one expensive used snowblower. I paid $300 CDN for mine in a private sale(grin).

Those wings appear to be rigid, simply bolted on. On mine there's a tube welded on in that location as though the wing was on a pin and dropped on, when needed, secured by a piece of chain. What I don't understand is how the wing got its rigidity: maybe angle irons rested against the body of the drum, held in place by the chain.

Thanks for your help.

Rod

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paul

11-07-2004 07:35:22




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 Re: New snowblower gloat in reply to Rod in S.F. Ontario, Cana, 11-07-2004 00:28:12  
I'd seem more common to use 90 oil, or even gear grease, rather than light oil, but a manual or dealer would tell you the correct thing.

--->Paul



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Ken Macfarlane

11-10-2004 05:41:38




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 Re: New snowblower gloat in reply to paul, 11-07-2004 07:35:22  
Hello, I've got friends in Lanark county, outside Almonte or something like that? There was a famous train wreak near where he lives during WW2.

I've seen lots of Lucknow's with wings down here in NB, usually they are just a piece of sheetmetal with a 45 deg bend so you bolt one flat side to the blower.

I use a 7 footer behind a 584 International, it can throw the snow pretty well but doesn't clean well cause of the welded on shoes on the bottom.

I get frustrated using it a bit as it is a gear tractor, hydro would be nice. I usually use our truck to plow with instead, much faster until the snow reaches 6-12".

Ken

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Rod in S.F. Ontario, Cana

11-10-2004 18:12:07




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 Wings on Lucknow Blower in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 11-10-2004 05:41:38  

If the wings are that simple, I guess I could bolt samples on temporarily and see how they work.

The alternative is to make the tractor narrower.

Interesting what you say about the shoes on the bottom. My main worry has been the opposite: the gravel ridge down the middle of the 400' lane leading up to the house. I thought of filling it in with gravel before winter, but then thought that I'd just pack the snow down in the depressions, drive the SUVs over it for the winter, and deal with it in the spring.

Maybe I'll have the ridge relocated down in the field by spring.

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