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?? wich plow to get??

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Wade

11-04-2004 18:29:16

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having a hard time finding out what kinda plow to get?? We just got a 4010D. I thought a 5 bottom or maybe even a 6 bottom. but was told it would have a hard time with the 5 and should use a 4. wich kinda bewilldered me. well let me say that i live in central wisconsin. real sandy here, and the 4010 has a 4020 rebuild in it. I though with 80+ horses it would pull more?? i think i was told wrong as i guy i asked was a farmall fan. you know the type " IH RULES " so let me know what you think. would as like to know wich is the best like brand,type as in mounted ect. and bottom size. i would like a 16 as i think parts would be cheaper.
wich pulled the best and wich is the most common. common enough to get parts, at like fleet farm. how many bottoms is the 4010 suppost to pull. and in the future how big of a disk? thanks

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barryinmn

11-07-2004 21:41:46

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Wade , 11-04-2004 18:29:16

I pull a 4x18 JD 3600 on land hitch with a 62HP Zetor 4wd @ 10,000 lbs. The JD 3600 auto reset is adjustable 16-18-20. I pull it just fine. I bought it from a farmer with 3020's & his complaint was too much wheel spin 2wd. This model is a big plow has lots of adjustments & takes time to setup. Makes it cheaper to buy than IH 710 & 720's by about 1/3 less.

Coulters make for a straighter furrow wall & take a little more HP to run. I have em sitting on a wagon.

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James2

11-05-2004 10:00:04

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Wade , 11-04-2004 18:29:16

We have pulled 5-16 JD66H on a JD830 and 5-16 White 588 (565?) on a MM950 in really hard dry clay type soil. The ground was so hard that the soft layer below the hardened surface on the White moldboards, was yielding/fatiguing, which was beginning to result in some surface cracks. Much more plowing would have resulted in the surface starting to flake off. The JD830 had it's hands full, really too much plow. The MM950G at 100 hp was OK. The old rule of thumb before everyone wanted to operate at warp speed was to have 15 bhp per bottom. I would say in your sandy soil you could easily handle a 5-16 plow. We really should have waited for it to rain but since it was only 50 acres, that notion was thrown into the dust bin.

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TP from Central PA

11-05-2004 09:49:27

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Wade , 11-04-2004 18:29:16

I was always told that you'd have to pull one less of the comparable IH model with the Deere. Never tested it to see if it was true.

We pulled 4-14's with a 706D or a Farmall 400 gasser. Most 400's here couldn't hack more than 3-16's but ours would take those 4 about as fast as you wanted to go. We could have pulled 5 with the 706 but didn't want to trade up for plows. I'd stick with 4-16's if I was you.

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Loren-MN

11-05-2004 09:41:25

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Wade , 11-04-2004 18:29:16

Wade,
Soil conditions vary all over this great country. Here in south central Minnesota, with it"s heavy black soil, 4-16"s, maybe 4-18"s is all a 4020 will pull. Tried 5-16"s and was down in 1st or 2nd gear, and traction became an issue. Someone mentioned a 3020, around here, 3-16"s or 4-14"s is pretty much the standard.

Allan, I have to go along with Paul, I have never seen a roll-over plow in my life, and that"s 57 years. And where are the coulters? Plow doesn"t work up here without them.

Loren-MN

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Loren-MN

11-05-2004 09:38:32

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Wade , 11-04-2004 18:29:16

Allan, I have to go along with Paul, I have never seen a roll-over plow in my life, and that"s 57 years. And where are the coulters? Plow doesn"t work up here without them.

Loren-MN

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Allan in NE

11-05-2004 09:58:10

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Loren-MN, 11-05-2004 09:38:32

Hi ya Loren,

Yep, that is the way it is here too. At least 100 hp to pull a 4/18 and to do it right.

It's something the way we do things differently in different parts of the country. The last straight plow we had was a JD two-direction on an old unstyled A. That was back about 1949. It has been, first the tumbleplows, then later the spinners ever since we went '2 bottom' in 1950 with the old M.

The plow in the picture a new unit on a dealer's lot. Coulters & trash boards haven't been installed yet. I agree, gotta have the 'cutters' and they have to be sunk to the hubs. :>)

It always amazes me how these things retain/hold their value constant throughout the years. When I bought mine in '72, it cost $4100; they are still $4700. Go figure.

Allan

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Kelly C

11-06-2004 14:46:17

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Allan in NE, 11-05-2004 09:58:10

4, 5 and 6 bottom plows bring $100 at the auctions around here. No ones using them.
2 or 3 bottom you spend a arm and a leg to get. Go figure.

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INCase

11-05-2004 05:24:01

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Wade , 11-04-2004 18:29:16

in NW Pa we used to pull a 4-18" white with a Olie 1650 gas with no trouble (kinda heavy soil) and the Olie 1755 (86ish HP) would go as fast as you'd like. What are your neighbors pulling and with what? Not all plows pull the same or plow the same quality either. I have some friends that pull 5-18 White with a 100Hp WHite with no issues in "light" soil. Personally I like more HP/bottom than the other way around. good luck and have fun!

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Wade

11-05-2004 12:19:43

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to INCase, 11-05-2004 05:24:01

I can't compare to my neighbors around here. they pull 12 bottoms with there artic. 300+ horse power tractors. they have for years. i don't even think they can remember that far back to tell me. and only one of the big farmers still plows. the rest of them only disk. thats why i need help,no-one can tell me. also would like to know,,, my manual says the 4010D has 86 hp. but what is it after a rebuild with 4020 kit??? thanks

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rustyfarmall

11-05-2004 13:56:56

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Wade, 11-05-2004 12:19:43

I think the 4020 was rated at about 94, most of them would put out 100 from the factory.

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Allan in NE

11-05-2004 05:18:39

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Wade , 11-04-2004 18:29:16

Hi Wade,

This is my all time favorite plow. A Massey 4/18. They pull very easy and leave a very nice bed. Would be a nice match for your tractor.

Allan

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jhill

11-06-2004 17:53:10

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Allan in NE, 11-05-2004 05:18:39

Allan,
Rollover plow like that Massey are common here in the Thumb of Michigan some of this ground is as flat as a board and the farmers like to keep it that way. Mostly Oliver and Deere plows. I have never seen a Massey.

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paul

11-05-2004 06:30:35

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Allan in NE, 11-05-2004 05:18:39

Are roll-over plows popular in your part of the world? I believe I have seen one in all my life in the field, and one antique type at an auction. That's it up here in MN. No dead furrows, but wider headlands and a bit spendier of a plow, right? :)

--->Paul

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Allan in NE

11-05-2004 06:58:17

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to paul, 11-05-2004 06:30:35

Hi Paul,

Yes, they are used all over here in the irrigated country; not so much in the dry land areas.

When fields are up to 100 acres and larger, wasting time running back and forth across a headland just doesn�t cut it. Plus, a dead furrow is a total no-no. :>)

A new one like this little Massey runs in at about $4700 for this model and on up. Yes, I think the big ones (lots of bottoms) can get rather spendy.

Thanks for the hollar,

Allan

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paul

11-05-2004 09:37:51

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Allan in NE, 11-05-2004 06:58:17

Ah, yes - irrigation. Now that makes sense. :) A 720 IH with 4 bottoms regular plow would be $750-1200 'here'. Plowing was going dead, everyone went DMI stuff, but it has made a comeback the past 3 years, bugs & wet springs..... Notill is not an option, unfortunatly. Most are using 7-9 bottom plows these days, need auto-reset because can't be bothered to slow down for the rocks.

--->Paul

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Allan in NE

11-05-2004 09:48:05

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to paul, 11-05-2004 09:37:51

Yes,

I hear ya there. We don't do rocks here. If a field is a bit on the gravely or rocky side, we just leave it in grass for pasture.

Allan

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paul

11-06-2004 03:51:35

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Allan in NE, 11-05-2004 09:48:05

My rock pile is 6 feet high, 40 x 40 feet across. Been removed 2 times in 40 years, always comes back. There's more left out there.... This is a small farm. All picked by hand - well those a person can lift.

--->Paul

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Don-Wi

11-04-2004 20:33:07

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Wade , 11-04-2004 18:29:16

I'm in NE wisconsin, very different soil than you have. I pull a 4-16" w/ my 1855 at about 100 HP. In sandy soil, I could probably pull a 6 bottom. See what other's are pulling in your area, hp per bottom, size of bottom, etc... I'd say with 80 hp, a 4 bottom would be safe. Sod will make your tractor snort.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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paul

11-04-2004 20:31:46

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Wade , 11-04-2004 18:29:16

We've got yellow clay here, I have an 85 hp tractor - color isn't important. It pulled a 4-16 and that was all it wants. I can raise the front wheels on the right soil, & they are filled. In other conditions, I can motor right along, not notice a load at all.

From your message is sounds like you just want the biggest, baddest on your tractor, so you can outdo your Red friend.

I don't know why you would want to do that to a nice old tractor.

Get something decient for the old gal, sized nice for her. Why pull the guts out?

--->Paul

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Wade

11-05-2004 12:36:26

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to paul, 11-04-2004 20:31:46

I total agree with you about NOT pulling the guts out of the old girl. but i figured 15 hp per bottom, that is on gas anyways. i'm not use to this newer stuff i run a WD a WD45 and a massy 44 and they all have no problem with a 3 bottom 3-16's. so thats why i'm asking i really don't know. the guy i asked trys pulling 4-14's with his farmall super M. wich i thinks a little big for her. since i've seen him plow and 1st gear and still not setting the plow as deep as i would. I like plowing deep. and before anyone says anything about the WD and WD45 I've know two old guys that bought there WDs and 45s brand new and they will be the first to tell you there is very very little dif. in hp between them. And after new rebuilds i will also tell you there is no diff. as right now i think the WD has a loader bracket on it and that adds weight, but she's pulling better right now.

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jhill

11-04-2004 20:17:27

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Wade , 11-04-2004 18:29:16

In light ground your tractor should handle a 5 bottom plow. You might want to go 4 thought beca8use you do have a 40 yr old tractor and it would be less strain on tractor. You can always go a little faster.

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Tim(nj)

11-05-2004 13:10:53

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Here's an idea in reply to jhill , 11-04-2004 20:17:27

Some 5-bottom semi-mounted plows are 4-bottom base units with an extra bottom bolted on and extensions added to the steering arm. These parts can be removed fairly easily if 5 turns out to be too much. I"ve seen an Oliver 565 with an add-on bottom, an IH 540 with an add-on bottom, and a JD with an add on bottom (I think it was a 1350? I know it was newer than an F145 but older than my 2700.)

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Oliver farmer

11-04-2004 18:45:44

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Wade , 11-04-2004 18:29:16

I think 4-16" bottoms will be plenty. If it pulls easy, go a little faster. Here in s.e. Pa, 100 hp and 4-16" is a good match. Even with that, put the plow in some old sod, and the tractor will work.
Josh

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pipes

11-04-2004 19:17:11

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Oliver farmer, 11-04-2004 18:45:44

Just picked up a 2-18 plow for my old JD 60... thinking that would be the right plow for that old tractor..... wound up dragging that plow around like it wasnt even back there.... got a 3020 gas that for sure wouldnt know it was back there. I know the 3020 will pull a 5 bottom without a problem.. so for sure your 4020 should do just fine. We are in south central wisconsin, so i know what your running into with your ground. Good luck to ya,
Randy

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Wade

11-05-2004 12:47:41

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to pipes, 11-04-2004 19:17:11

Hi were do you live. i'm starting to think there is alot of clay ground in the world. i wouldn't know i've always farmed here. live near Almond alot of potato farmers here. and they only use big stuff. and they run around there fields in what seems to me like road gear. I tried plowing in 3rd gear with my allis once but i think it was to fast. looked like a sand storm back there and don't think it was rolling over just throwing it over a couple of feet. just tried it on one round. i was trying to keep up with one of those big tractors. i think 3rd is about 5 mph and i think anything faster than that is to fast. thanks

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Allan in NE

11-05-2004 14:26:00

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Re: ?? wich plow to get?? in reply to Wade, 11-05-2004 12:47:41

Wade,

You are right. About 4.5mph is all the faster you want to go. You just want the soil to 'feather' evenly into the last pass.

Allan

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