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Dale (MI)

10-18-1999 09:38:40




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This week I tried to plow some muck for some neighbors. The land has not been worked in many years and has a thick cover of thatch and knee high grass. The two bottom Ferguson plow plugged up immediately so I ran a disk over it several times to chop up the grass. The plow still plugs up. I tried a rototiller also but the grass just wraps around it. I am going to try a bush hog next. Anyone have experience working a field like this?

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Dick Davis

10-29-1999 04:14:29




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 Re: tilling thick sod in reply to Dale (MI), 10-18-1999 09:38:40  
Not familiar with "muck" so don't know if the soil or the trash is the problem with plugging. But here in Iowa an old farmers trick to keep the plow from plugging with tall grass or trash was to use a 7' long # 9 wire on each colter shaft. They just wired the end of the wire to the shaft and let the other end run wild. The wire held the grass down while the colter cut the sod and the share rolled it over. It works. You can run through some pretty wild stuff. Good Luck.

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Burrhead

10-23-1999 09:27:56




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 Re: tilling thick sod in reply to Dale (MI), 10-18-1999 09:38:40  
I bought a double disc Ford turning plow especially for overgrown muck and clay. I never could do any good with a flat bottom.
The old disc plow works extremely well in this soil types.
Since you're doing this for a favor you could probably find another neighbor there with a disc turning plow you could borrow, or if you have these soil types at your place it could turn out to be a good $150 investment.
The disc type will cut through extremely hard and over grown ground with less horsepower than the flat bottom and there is nothing there on it to clog up.

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paul

10-20-1999 22:00:12




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 Re: tilling thick sod in reply to Dale (MI), 10-18-1999 09:38:40  
Dale, you got some real good advise below. Make sure your plow is good & shiny, you don't want a rusty plow out in the muck. That's real hard stuff to plow in good conditions. Disking probably did not help you at all for this stuff, but things will go better if the sod & all dries out & becomes brittle. Maybe need to disk again to get it dead, hope your climate allows it to dry yet.

The coulters are very important to cut up all that vegitation on top so it passes through the plow. However, in heavy soils sometimes you get by better without them, but now that you disked already, too late. The coulters should be big, like, 18-20 inches. I suspect you have little worn out coulters on the old plows, and they often do more harm than good. Big coulters, & run them almost to the bottom of the furrow.

An IHC 720 or JD 2800 has a lot more clearence, & that is what you really need.

Good luck.
--->Paul

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Aaron

10-18-1999 12:07:49




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 Re: tilling thick sod in reply to Dale (MI), 10-18-1999 09:38:40  
If you have already disked it, then I don't think mowing it would do any good. Your best bet is to disc it again, then wait till spring. By then the grass will have decomposed enough to let you get through it again with the disk and then plow it. Just wondering, does your plow have coulters on it? If you had coulters on it, I don't see a problem with it at all. If not, you may never get that plow through. It might be best to find a plow with coulters on it or have a farmer with a bigger plow come in and do it.
Aaron

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Dale (MI)

10-18-1999 12:49:04




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 Re: Re: tilling thick sod in reply to Aaron, 10-18-1999 12:07:49  
I know there is at least one coulter but it may not be set low enough. I thought about taking off the coulter and scraper to keep the grass from catching on them. This plow has often been hard to get in the ground and I usually have to push it in with down pressure on the 3 pt. hitch.



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Gerald J.

10-18-1999 23:07:09




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 Re: Re: Re: tilling thick sod in reply to Dale (MI), 10-18-1999 12:49:04  
The plow should suck itself down, if you tilt it to the front a little. Shorten the top link, then shorten the right lift link to level it again.

Three point plows can be bad a plugging because the rear plow is close to the front plow. I've been happier with the AC 2000 4/3 bottom I bought last year it has three times the distance between plow bottoms on my 3 point plow and I can plow thigh high corn stalks without it plugging. The my Case three point two bottom plow (on a smaller tractor), I had to chop the corn stalks, the disk them, to keep from plugging every 50 feet. That didn't prevent plugging, just made it less often. the 520 and 720 IH semimounted plows are even more open and so harder to plug. Their plow beam is three feet above the top of the plow bottom and the plow bottom is hung down on a small bar that lets all the weed and cornstalks pass by without plugging. In this case bigger is definitely better than small. Been there, done all that.

Gerald J.

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Dale (MI)

10-19-1999 10:09:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: tilling thick sod in reply to Gerald J., 10-18-1999 23:07:09  
Thank you all for the tips. Last night I hooked up an old trip plow that sat on that muck for many years and found it does go right in a worked piece of ground, unlike the Ferguson. I am going to try it on the muck later this week after I fix the tires and grease it up. The trip plow did have only one coulter and it is at about a 20 degree angle to the bottoms. I assume it should be straight in the direction of travel. What purpose does the coulter serve? A friend suggested that I just remove them.

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Gerald J.

10-19-1999 19:25:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tilling thick sod in reply to Dale (MI), 10-19-1999 10:09:47  
The coulter cuts the left side of the furrow with less horsepower than dragging it out with the plow shin. In hard ground it makes it break up better that way, and in sod it cuts the roots so the amount to roll over is only as wide as the plow, not the next two feet of sod connected by roots.

The coulter shaft should swivel 20 or 30 degrees each side of straight to the rear. So it can move out of the way of beginning plugs. Its arm should be set so that when the coulter blade is parallel to the left face of the plow (e.g. direction of motion) that the coulter blade is about 3/4" outside the plow. Front to back position and up and down are adjusted some by the nature of the soil Probably having the axle a couple inches in front of the front tip of the plow share and between one and two inches above the front tip of the plow share is a good place. Too close up and down and it won't let tree roots pass, too far and it won't cut deep enough. Too close front to back and it will cause more plugging than it helps. too far out front it will probably help keep the plow from digging in.

Your three point plow should pull itself into the ground if you tip it forward by shorting the upper link and then level it by shortening the right lift link. Plowing is dependent on that forward end of the plow share being a bit lower than the rest of the plow to dig in. At least that's how it works with my dad's one horse plow on a garden tractor, the three point plow on my MF-135 and my AC2000 3 bottom semimounted plow on my 4020.

Gerald

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Robert

10-19-1999 11:01:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tilling thick sod in reply to Dale (MI), 10-19-1999 10:09:47  
Muck ground can be frustrating to plow.The first thing I would do is to get the scrapers off of the coulters.Hang them on the shed wall and leave them there.Some times muck will plow better with the coulters off.The real problem is that it doesn't have enough structure to hold together going through the plow and balls up.If you can get around the idea of not plowing it you can probably get by with the disc if you make enough trips.Have you considered spraying roundup for weed control and discing instead of plowing?
The purpose of the coulter is to cut sod,straw and trash so that it will pass through the plow.

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RUN COULTERS DEEP.

10-19-1999 18:32:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tilling thick sod in reply to Robert, 10-19-1999 11:01:24  
RUN DEEP:TO THE AXLE,AND TILT PLOW DOWN IN FRONT. JUST LIKE HARVESTING SOD. COULTER CUTS:PLOW LIFTS AND TURNS.BUT NOW THAT YOU HAVE DISC IT WILL BE HARDER TO PLOW THAN IF YOU HAD BUSH HOGGED FIRST.GOOD LUCK WITH THE OLD "PULLER".



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