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New Holland 1033 stack wagon

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SKC

10-17-2004 21:13:36




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I bought a used (obviously) 1033 stack wagon about a month ago. It looks to be in good condition and I paid $6500 from a dealer in Colorado. There have been a lot of issues on getting it going. Dealer hasn't provided an owner's manual which was promised. It took them longer to deliver it (during which time my hay was rained on and just ruined), didn't provide operating instructions when it was delivered as was agreed to, didn't fix some minor thing as was agreed to. Anyway, I don't think it works right and it may be adjusted to narrow for my hay bales (40" max length). I tried to pick up some hay. First, the hay didn't go all of the way to the right and the third bale came in on top of the second. (I oiled and greased and jiggled it and it seems to work better - that one bar wasn't moving over and was preventing the bales' going all of the way over). But something else was causing the hay to stop soon enough for the third bale to overlap the second and though it doesn't seem to do that now, I don't know why that was happening. Another issue was that the "bale pick up" switch has to be pushed to "on" frequently during use - mechanic said that it was customary to have to push the "on" swich before you picked up each bale of hay. Is that right? So the repair guy leaves - I get a $100 bill and am shocked because I think this is part of the purchase deal. Anyway, I keep picking up the hay. Each time the hay goes to the second level, I get down and physically move it over to make sure it's working (which I don't think it is.) It goes up off the second table and sticks. There is a little hay sticking out on the left side and that may have hung up the stack wagon (I'm not sure that enough hay was stuck to do that, but maybe it was. The first time it stuck up, when the mechanic came out, three or four flakes of hay were sticking out - it looked like someone was being beheaded. This time not even a flake was stuck in it - just a little.) Now, at this time, I saw smoke and fluid started shooting out of somewhere.
There were other problems with the way the hay went back. The bottom row was not flat, but rather was turned about three quarters. The hay was all uneven and the rods that stick up to hold the hay didn't go back enough. (the stackwagon has new brake pads. I don't know if that's the problem.) This resulted in the middle pile of hay (that would be the second time the hay was lifted off the second table) not even touching the bottom. The second pile of hay was a good 12 to 18 inches elevated off the wagon floor. The thrid stack back was seriously indented by the tine or poles that stick up (the ones that should move back as more hay is loaded). It just didn't move back properly.
The mechanic that works at the equipment dealer (New Holland dealer) told me how I should adjust the stack wagon for wide bales (40"). A couple of problems I had with this are that I tend to think they should do that and I don't think that will cure the problem.
I bought it over a month ago and my now-ruined hay is still in the field and I don't have an operators manual.

I'm sorry this has been so long, but for it to be clear, it really had to be.

Is this just a piece of junk? Or, is it a simple matter of adjusting it outward for the 40" bales? or is it operator error. I certainly am not familiar with stack wagons. I bought it more than four weeks ago and I haven't been able to pick up one load of hay.

I would really appreciate any opinions or ideas about this. Thanks.

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SKC

10-21-2004 19:55:39




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 Update..... in reply to SKC, 10-17-2004 21:13:36  
The dealer sent out their mechanic today. He's always very nice and knows his job well. He took the pump for rebuilding and will bring it back tomorrow or Saturday. After talking the you all, I had become convinced that the braking system was jamming in some way. He looked several times at it and finally found where there was a place where the steel was indented. In that whole unit where the thing slides back to put each new tier of bales on, there are a couple of trigular pieces of metal on top of the third table. These slide down as each tier of bales comes on. One of these is bent and stick into the other metal. That stops the unit from going back. It is not a new problem as you can see where it has happened at least to some degree in the past. So, the real problem was that the 1033 had a bent point (very small bend) that caught in the metal and stop its operation. I really appreciate all of the help and information that you provided. I think this will fix all of the problems that I'm aware of. Of course, I haven't yet even tried to stack it since the most I've ever loaded was three tiers and it became stuck.
No operators manual, but they are working on it and did give a service manual so that may help some. Thanks again.

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stu in nj

10-19-2004 13:11:54




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to SKC, 10-17-2004 21:13:36  
It sounds like it's out of adjustment without manual you'll never get it right.I got my 1033 this year delivered in a few pieces went by the manual and no problems at all.If you can't get a manual maybe I can copy mine and send it to you let me know.



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SKC

10-19-2004 16:37:24




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to stu in nj, 10-19-2004 13:11:54  
Thank you. I will talk to the dealer again tomorrow about the manual. It was part of the deal when I bought the 1033. I knew I had to have one. Yesterday, they talked like they would look at the brakes and try harder to get the manual. If I can't get it, I may ask you to copy yours. That would be great. Thanks.



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ernie Bob

10-18-2004 16:00:09




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to SKC, 10-17-2004 21:13:36  
SKC, I'm located in Boulder County myself. I could try to give you a hand or possibly hook you up with one of the locals around here that has run a NH 1033. I have a NH 1031 which is a bit smaller than what you have. Feel free to give me a call. 303-902-1038

Good Luck!
Ernie Bob



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SKC

10-19-2004 16:34:48




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to ernie Bob, 10-18-2004 16:00:09  
Thanks. That'd be great. I also left my email visible on this post.



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BobMo

10-18-2004 12:48:04




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to SKC, 10-17-2004 21:13:36  
SKC, you just can't operate one of these without a manual as has been said. That being said the use of a bale wagon begins at the baler. If your bales are irregular and not firm & heavy 65-70 lbs they will continue to cause problems into the bale wagon. If the bales aren't being picked up by your 1st table cross feed chain it can be either the bales aren't firm & heavy enough or you need to reverse the cross feed chain if it hasn't been done previously and has worn dull. You will also want to check the rod that turn the bale when it comes up the lift chain as it may be set to low for the lenght of bale your baling, but all this is useless unless you get a manual so you can start to sort out your problems...Good luck.

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SKC

10-18-2004 15:47:55




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to BobMo, 10-18-2004 12:48:04  
I'll check that adjustment - that may need to be changed.
I think though that right now the main problem is in that whole brake system which was recently repaired by the dealer. they are going to look at it again.
Thanks for all the information. I will work on my future bales, too, but right now I need to pick up the bales that are down - as ruined as they now are, they have to be moved.
Thanks for all the help.

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kyhayman

10-18-2004 12:42:46




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to SKC, 10-17-2004 21:13:36  
There are several issues here, not sure if I will get them all or not. I've run 1010's, 1033's, and 1034's. By far and away I prefer the 1033. Expect a STEEP learning curve. It took me a year to get anything out of mine and another year to get proficient.

1st table. Is cross conveyer chain working properly? Sounds like the trip valve is sticking for the 1st table trip. 2 grease fittings on the valve body itself (and needs oil too). 1 fitting on the trip arm. Arm may need to be adjusted in or out to control placement on the 2nd table, set screw on the backside does this. Bale density (strings should have NO MORE THAN 1" lift when baled), high mositure hay, and rust on the 1st table can all cause 'issues'

Manual does say that most operators stop pickup between each bale. Mine needs frequent pushes.

Defintie issues with brake and side board adjustments. I'venever adjusted the brakes on one so not sure what to tell you. Sides should be set to clear widest bales by 2" on the right and 4" on the left. I had to cut my bale size from 38" to 36" b/c of the radical increase in bale density needed. Decks of all tables need to be highly polished. I paint mine every 2 years and coat liberally with WD 40 before each use.

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SKC

10-18-2004 15:45:16




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to kyhayman, 10-18-2004 12:42:46  
You paint them with paint? and then oil them?
That's interesting. I hadn't heard that but it makes some sense as long as the paint and oil don't get onto the hay. I appreciate the information about the clearance distance required. I'll do some measuring and see what's going on with that.
The bales are fairl heavy. I have made sure they were dry when I picked them up. They did get ruined with rain but I've turned them and allowed the to dry pretty completely.
In reading everything and thinking about it, I'm pretty much convinced that my primary problem is that that whole break assembly is the problem. In fact, that was the problem with it when I agreed to buy it. That was the reason I didn't get it immediately is that that system had to be rebuilt. I was told that the brakes would have a small tendency to stick until they were broken in - but what it seems to be doing is extreme and definitely not what the mechanic thought would happen. I talked to the dealer and they are going to look at that again (I think). I'll look at the other adjustments you mentioned as well. By the time I get these bales picked up they will have disintergrated to the extent that they *will* be loose:).
Thanks for all of the information. It was very helpful.

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kyhayman

10-18-2004 15:55:24




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to SKC, 10-18-2004 15:45:16  
You bring up an interesting point that I missed in your first post. My assumption was that the hay had gotten wet in the swath not in the bale. The longer hay sits before pickup the harder it is to get it to feed accross the first table. Even the next day is a nightmare sometimes (long lesson I learned last year). It took me 40 minutes round trip on the first 11 loads. Last 3 took almost 2 hrs each (the next day). Since my bale wagon sits out much of the summer (and we get 50" of rain) the polished surfaces of the decks rust fairly quicky. I DA sand them and shoot a 2 coats of NH red every other winter on them. During the season, if I have to leave it outside the dew will cause rust on the surfaces where the paint wears off. I'll usually spray down the decks with WD 40 before I start baling so it has dried to a film of silicone lubricant by the time I start stacking (I normally run 600 and then stack if Im by myself). Sounds like definite brake problems to me. My 1034 doesnt have the brake but I have more probs with the long cylinder on the load rack than everything else combined.

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SkC

10-19-2004 16:31:57




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to kyhayman, 10-18-2004 15:55:24  
It may be that the hay is too old but it was new when I paid for this machine:).
I will keep in mind that having to help it across the first table may be related to the age of the bales. I had no idea that was the case. Even in our very wet summer, it is not the same moisture content in the air as is in the south or east.
I agree that the big problem is the brakes. But, having all this additional information about what may make one part or another not function well, is really helpful.

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kyhayman

10-18-2004 12:47:21




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to kyhayman, 10-18-2004 12:42:46  
Oh, btw did I mention bale density? :-). Seriously, tight DRY bales, polished decks, and plenty of grease and oil make these things a dream to run. Very few problems with mine after the first couple of hundred bales of the season (valves stick, rust, etc).

Very curious about the other post mentioning the automatic tie mechanism. When this tripped it will activate at the 2nd bale rather than the 3rd. Also ground speed is a consideration. In heavy timothy I have to slow down to give the bales time to work through the system. 3-4 bales a minute is all my 1034 will physically take.

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Colorado Curt

10-18-2004 10:06:20




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to SKC, 10-17-2004 21:13:36  
I have a 1034 and have neve experienced that problem. Usually the first table chain moves the bale. Is you chain slipping, or just not biting into the bale? It is normal to have to kick the loader chain for each bale. I don't like to see that chain running all the time any way. You do need to get a manual. There are some adjustments that need to be made for your bale size. Where are you located?

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SKC

10-18-2004 15:36:28




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to Colorado Curt, 10-18-2004 10:06:20  
I'm in Boulder County.
I'm really glad to know that the on switch needs to be pushed each time - though my chain doesn't stop, it just slows down a little.
The mechanic did tell me where to adjust for bale size - but I'd feel much more comfortable actually reading it. Thanks.



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Colorado Curt

10-18-2004 16:07:30




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to SKC, 10-18-2004 15:36:28  
SKC,
I'm in Boulder County also. Email me and maybe we can get together. There is some good advice in this thread. I think we can get you going again.
-- Curt



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Colorado Curt

10-18-2004 16:04:30




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to SKC, 10-18-2004 15:36:28  
SKC,
I'm in Boulder County also. Email me and maybe we can get together. There is some good advice in this thread. I think we can get you going again.
-- Curt



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SKC

10-19-2004 16:28:01




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to Colorado Curt, 10-18-2004 16:04:30  
It's amazing that two people here are from Boulder County. I'll email you but it may be tomorrow.
Thanks. And, yes, there has been a lot of helpful information in this thread.



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Dale in IN

10-18-2004 06:53:05




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to SKC, 10-17-2004 21:13:36  
SKC:
Those bale wagons are an experience in them selfs to learn to run. You deffinetly need to get an operators manuel. You can get them direct from NH The operators and service manuel run in the neighbor hood of $70. You can order them over the internet direct and should have them in less than 2 weeks. You might try shortening you bales a little. This might help on putting the bales in the rack. The fingers that you are talking aboout sticking up are the fingers that hold the outer bales to form the cross tie. They are controled by the cross tie lever. You have to push this lever back until the system resets itself. You will hear your tractor engine load a little when it has reset. The smoke and oil that you refered to sounds like you were over riding the pressure relief valve and it was possibly coming out of the front pump seal. I have had the same thing to happen on a 1034. It sound like the lever on your first table may be sticking or not adjusted right. When it is set right after the 3rd bale picks up it should fold the 3 bales on to the 2nd table automatically. Your lever or button to controll the pick up works better if you can mount it on the side of your tractor seat or a fender close by. This way you have it up where you can reach it with ease. I ran mine 2 years with out doing this and this past season I finally fastened it to the seat and it sure makes a difference. These machines have a very complicated Hyd. system and ther is all kind of lock outs on them that have to be set propperly.

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SKC

10-18-2004 15:33:37




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to Dale in IN, 10-18-2004 06:53:05  
Thanks Dale. About the operator's manual. I knew since I had not only never used one of these, but I had never even seen one work that I had to have an operator's manual. It was specifically a part of the purchase deal - but four weeks later it's still not here. If the dealer doesn't come through, I will have to buy one myself because this is quite frustrating. I can't change the length of the bales that are on the ground. I can possibly do that for future loads - but that gets into another area of frustration. I actually looked at ebay and did a search and didn't find a manual I could buy. It's good to know that I can get one from New Holland. Thanks.
I think my problem is further back than that. It is when the 2nd table comes up and moves the bales to the 3rd table that the problem occurs. Those tines don't move back - I'm becoming convinced that is the problem.
Thanks for your help.

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mike j

10-17-2004 22:32:03




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to SKC, 10-17-2004 21:13:36  
I dont know how much help i'm going to be here never run a pull behind but i bought a old self propelled this year first off your rolling rack (the tines that move on the third table ) should move fairly easy next the side boards need to be adjusted for the total width of bales (3 wide x40" =120" between side boards ) On your first table problems im no help as mine dos'nt auto trip and i have to trip it for each set of bales (keeps you from going to sleep )good luck and hope you figure it out there a real trick to learn to run but well worth the investment. mike

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SKC

10-18-2004 15:27:13




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 Re: New Holland 1033 stack wagon in reply to mike j, 10-17-2004 22:32:03  
Thanks for the information Mike. I appreciate your help.



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