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wade

10-15-2004 19:37:36

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I am wanting (looking) for a pull type combine. but don't know alot about them. the tractors i would like to use on it would be a allis WD or my massy harris44. allis has hand cluch would prob. use it. price of gas the way it is i would like to get as big as possible. what brand of combine was the best?? and what sizes did they come in. do the numbers mean the size in inches. I would like to use it on alot of crops,like oats,beans,alfalfa,ect.ect.
wich one worked the best. I have flat ground and would be using it on 20 to 60 acres. thats why i want a pulltype. and the old lady would see that i would have a use for the half a dozen old tractors i have. thanks for any help you can give me.

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Jim Calhoun

10-19-2004 14:04:12

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-15-2004 19:37:36

I did research on this for the past year. The Allis pull types are good and the Masseys are good.
I finally settled on a Minneapolis Moline H3 "69 Harvestor".
I did so because like the Allis, they are good at getting most crops harvested. What I liked about the MM is that it is a straight through style and is a bit easier to unplug and work on.

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wade

10-18-2004 20:42:17

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-15-2004 19:37:36

i notice some talk about the JD 42 combine and if 45 heads would fit on it?? it looks like no the 42 is a (40) version. what is the (45) version. i mean is there a JD 45 or 47 or what ever its called,is that a pull type. how hard is it to find heads for it? and know one has commented about the allcrop 90 i seen for sale, is that a bad sign,,, no one heard of it??? he sent me a picture, look good sized but the picture is from the back. or is it usal to send pictures of the backs of combines, is that a trouble spot??? is that why he sent a picture from the back?? was the 90 build like the 72 but only a bigger version. i see that its a pull type (tung has pto shaft on it) pic. was from back corner. did not see the (head)pickup part at all.does any one know anything about this machine.
on one comments about it and that makes me alittle scared to look at it.

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Leroy

10-21-2004 19:28:38

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-18-2004 20:42:17

The 42 JD is the pull version of the 40 SP that was made with 8 & 10' heads, most were sold with 10'. would handle but slow like the 45 with 12' head, 10' is beter and they made an 8' also but never seen one, there was no version made in the size of the 45, the next size up was a 65 that was the same size as a 55 SP. I do not know for shure if they made a quick tatch head adapter for the 40-42 series like they did foe the 45-55-95-105 SP models but if they did then it would have been able to use later model heads, the 205 was sold to fit the 40-42 & 45 models but the 45 needed different brackets and most people bought the 210 head that fit the 45-55-95 machines with different brackets and they are from the 60's all the others mentioned are from the 50's with some from the 40's. The AC 90 was a 7' auger machine but the cylinder was narrowed down to about 4', good machines but by the time they were on the market the ones that wanted a machine that big usualy went up to a 10' machine so not many around, caried a 20" tire instead of the 16" on the 60-66-72 models that had a 5' cylinder. AC best ever grass-clover machines ever made

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wade

10-17-2004 19:29:31

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-15-2004 19:37:36

Someone let me know about a 90 allcrop that they had. but did not write anything about it, and has not wrote back to me yet when i asked about it. can anyone hear tell me about it is it pull type?? is it as good as the 66 and 72 ?? he wanted best offer i think thats what BO means. what would best offer be or is it something i need to look at first. I don't need to have a combine right now but need it next year and if it needs work i would like to have some time to go really throught it, so i don't have and problems with it later. I would like a real nice one. but would look at anything. CAN ANYONE TELL ME ABOUT THIS 90 ALLCROP. thank you.

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wade

10-17-2004 16:51:03

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-15-2004 19:37:36

sounds like some nice combines out there i wish you guys were a little closer. i'm in cenrtal wisconsin.i would like to thank everyone with ther responces. got some good ideas. does anyone in wisconsin have a nice combine they would like to get rid of??? sounds to me like everyone thinks the allis was the best out there. just having some problems finding them wich make me alittle concerned .about getting some parts for them. like canvas and stuff.

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riverbend

10-18-2004 05:53:32

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-17-2004 16:51:03

I got my pick of several by putting an ad in the local paper and running it for a few weeks. I must have gotten ten calls, looked at five, and picked the best of the lot (although, the Allis with rubber on rubber threshing does sound pretty good). All of them were within 20 miles and about $300. It took another $200 to tune it up and do some minor repairs. Canvases can be made up by an upholstery shop. You would probably need to rivet on the slats yourself.

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willyz

10-17-2004 04:57:34

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-15-2004 19:37:36

This post got me thinking. One of my bigger regrets is that at one time I bought a JD 10A combine for parts. It had a Pto drive which I took off and put on my 25A. I should of restored that combine as I have never seen or heard of one since. I was a small combine, like a scaled down 11A. It only had a 4ft. cut.

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JMS/MN

10-16-2004 14:03:24

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-15-2004 19:37:36

The WD is an excellent match for the 60, 66, 72, etc., or many other pull -type machines of the same era. Hand clutch gives you live pto, which is a big plus. Many AC combines around for a few hundred dollars. Big thing with the 60, 66, is the condition of the two canvasses, since if they are bad you'll spend more for replacements than what the combine cost. Upper canvas is not as important as the lower one, but still spendy. Rubber on rubber shelling with the AC was a big advantage over other brands. Easy adjustments, many other combines did not have hand crank adjustments for cylinder speed of fan speed in that era.

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RickL

10-16-2004 04:36:07

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-15-2004 19:37:36

wade; I have a very nice one owner AC 66 wanting to move. always been shedded,books etc.

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wade

10-16-2004 09:08:43

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to RickL, 10-16-2004 04:36:07

rick where you located at??? how much??

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willyz

10-17-2004 04:51:59

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-16-2004 09:08:43

I have a AC 66 All-Crop I'd like to give away free if some wants it. It needs new canvases and probably tires but other that is pretty good. I even have the windrow pickup for it. Someone wants it, let me know, come and get it. I'm in northeast lower Michigan.

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Elizabeth

10-17-2004 15:22:56

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to willyz, 10-17-2004 04:51:59

Willyz, I'd like to have the combine. Please e-mail me.

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RickL

10-16-2004 13:27:42

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-16-2004 09:08:43

It is located in southeast Iowa. Been asking $750.00. it is very good unit like I said earlier

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JiminIA

10-17-2004 05:59:26

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to RickL, 10-16-2004 13:27:42

RickL what part of southeast Iowa are you in? Thats where I am Lee County....Jim

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RickL

10-18-2004 07:20:01

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to JiminIA, 10-17-2004 05:59:26

Louisa county

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msb

10-15-2004 21:22:08

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-15-2004 19:37:36

There is a John Deere 12A for sale in Photo Ads.It has its own engine A live pto would not be necessary with that combine plus you could select the ground speed depending on the crop.If the crop got a little heavy, the engine would give you the option of slowing the tractor speed down through it.The 12A in question looks to be in good shape and they were decent machines.The optimum would be an auger machine with an engine of its own like an Allis 72 or a Deere 30 .

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Leroy

10-16-2004 18:54:28

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to msb, 10-15-2004 21:22:08

Allis 72 is 6', Deere 30 either 6' or more likely 7' and probably easier to get repairs for if you can still get any of them, Allis slightly cleaner grain, motor would do like the hand clutch on WD, you get in heavy thick spot that you have to stop and let clean out lets you keep the combine going but for heavy crop where you need only half of speed of low gear motor will keep machine running wile slowing tractor down to get ground speed you need without slipping that hand clutch every 5'. Depending on conditions a John Deere 42 Combine would work, 9' and easiest of all to get parts for as some from all the selfpropelled JD combines would fit, it will also take a 205 2 row 40" corn head

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wade

10-17-2004 19:18:12

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to Leroy, 10-16-2004 18:54:28

Jd 42 sounds like a good machine since you can still get parts. you said it can pick corn if you have the corn head. this 205 corn head is this hard to find??? do most people have the corn head if they have the 42?? does the 42 harvest alfalfa well. i seen a 55JD combine for sale how big is it and is it pull type.

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Dave in S MN

10-18-2004 14:30:23

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-17-2004 19:18:12

the 42 combine is a good machine. I have one that was on the verge of being acrap metal and I saved it. I have used it on oats. It needs some fine tuning yet but will work well. Biggest problem with it is too big of a header for such a small cylinder. I do not have the corn head and may never(although I would like to find one). Yes they are hard to find as they did not make many of them and the ones they did make are mostly scrapped out now. I know they will also harvest alfalfa too. Good luck in your search!
-Dave R

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10-18-2004 15:11:13

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to Dave in S MN, 10-18-2004 14:30:23

I understand that the 42 is a pull type version 45. Would the heads not interchange?

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Dave in S MN

10-18-2004 19:14:19

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to jc, 10-18-2004 15:11:13

Tim is right. It is really a pull type 40, and sorry, the heads will not interchange with the 45.
-Dave R

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Tim(nj)

10-18-2004 15:52:02

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to jc, 10-18-2004 15:11:13

42 is a pull-type 40, not a 45.

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10-19-2004 14:13:15

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to Tim(nj), 10-18-2004 15:52:02

Cool

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John17

10-18-2004 09:09:35

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-17-2004 19:18:12

A JD model 55 is self propelled.

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Sid

10-15-2004 20:44:07

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-15-2004 19:37:36

The Allis All Crop combines have a good reputation for what you described for your need to be. The Models numbers mean inches of cutting width 60,66, and 72. I used a model 60 to do red clover this year. I am sure the others made good combines also I just do not know anything about them. Many a combines were pulled with WD"s around here.

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jhill

10-16-2004 09:29:59

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to Sid, 10-15-2004 20:44:07

My grandfather and his brothers bought one of the first All Crops in the state of Michigan. It was a PTO drive and Grandpa pulled it with his Allis WC. He and his brothers grew soybeans under contract to Henry Ford for several years. They farmed at Clinton Mi. Not to far from Fords Ypsilanti plastics plant. Ford himself used All Crops on his farms from some of the books I have read.

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riverbend

10-15-2004 20:13:05

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-15-2004 19:37:36

I have a Massey Harris Model 60 PT combine with a Continental F140 engine. It does a good job on just about everything once you get it set up right.

Don't go any bigger than your tractor can reasonably handle. I pull it with an H Farmall. The combine is a little too heavy for the H, it calls for a three plow tractor. As long as it does not fall in a hole, it works okay .

I don't believe that the model numbers mean much. Massey built different versions of more or less the same machine starting with 23 (?) and carried on up to 92. That is a good thing because, like the H and M Farmalls, they made a lot of them and the parts are not too hard to find.

If you have a pto driven combine, you will need a tractor with a live pto.

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wade

10-15-2004 20:45:40

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to riverbend, 10-15-2004 20:13:05

yes the allis has a live pto (hand clutch). but massy does not. I also have a "H" but thought it to small for a combine. notice alot of difference in power between the H an the allisWD or MH44. the allis (is) at 40 hp and i think the MH is like 40 or 45 hp. H has new rebuild, but the other two seem like they have twice the hp as the H. I think i would pref. a pto driven one, as it would be one less engine to take care of. mybe i'm wrong? like i said before i do not know about combines all that well. how much do combines weight?? I never thought about that part. I guess i fig. if i could pull a baler and a hay rack with 200 bales on it i did need to worry about weight. and yes you heard me right, 200 bales i have only three racks and when your a mile away you stack em high. for time, or because you know rains coming. so do all the old combines harvest many crops!!! or just the allis allcrop????
thanks

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jhill

10-15-2004 20:11:35

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to wade, 10-15-2004 19:37:36

All the manufacturers made a pull type. An allis Chalmers is probably one of the best if you can find one. With the proper screens they will harvest anything. For many years they were rel popular for harvesting alfalfa seed because of their adjustability.

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Tim(nj)

10-15-2004 20:24:47

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Re: pull type combine (help) in reply to jhill, 10-15-2004 20:11:35

Particularly the All-Crop 72, the last of the line. It doesn"t have a canvas, instead uses auger and raddles, much less trouble and more positive feed, especially in beans. I think a pickup reel was also available for the 72. The rubber-on-rubber thresher bars makes it very good for fragile crops.

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