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Leveling Ground with a Disk

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pbutler

10-13-2004 12:29:32




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Bean ground is a little rough from planter row cleaners this year (ran a little too deep) and I need to level it a bit before moving to no-till. Planning on running the disk pretty shallow-basically just a hair deeper than the bottom of the valley between the rows. If weather permits in the spring I may have time to run field cultivator over ground but can't be assured of it.

I have a Krause 20ft disk with adjustable rear gang. I have the front one set about 20 degrees. The rear ones are only set about 5%.

For best leveling should I set the rear gangs steeper or more of a straight angle?

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Allan in NE

10-15-2004 04:38:24




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 Re: Leveling Ground with a Disk in reply to pbutler, 10-13-2004 12:29:32  
Mornin',

If you want to level a field using a disc, you're going to have to hit it twice from two opposing angles.

Allan



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ChrisL

10-13-2004 13:31:21




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 Re: Leveling Ground with a Disk in reply to pbutler, 10-13-2004 12:29:32  
Diks do not level ground - use a heavy drag or field cultivator w/ a drag or springtooth or a field finisher - do it in the spring - kill some weeds AND level at the same time - you aren't going to go deep so it won't take long



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RayP(MI)

10-13-2004 18:44:43




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 Re: Leveling Ground with a Disk in reply to ChrisL, 10-13-2004 13:31:21  
Chris took the words right off my keyboard. Disks do a poor job of leveling. If you must use a disk, go at an angle to your furrows, and it will take several passes to get it acceptably level. If you can come up with a drag (harrow) or field cultivator, it will do far better.



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JMS/MN

10-13-2004 16:08:20




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 Re: Leveling Ground with a Disk in reply to ChrisL, 10-13-2004 13:31:21  
While I agree that a FC with a rear mounted tine harrow is a better machine for leveling ground, a disk certainly can work, if adjusted properly and operated at an angle. Most people on this board rely on a disk for secondary tillage, why? I don't know. I've had both for 32 years, but if I could afford only one pair, it would be either a moldboard plow or chisel plow, and a FC with a tine harrow. The FC can cut plowed ground with multiple trips, and leave a more level seedbed without ridges. A good FC with harrow will not plug like the machines of several decades ago. I always run the FC at an angle, the first time to level the field, the second time so I don't leave a track that misleads me when I plant at night, and it also does more field leveling.

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paul

10-13-2004 19:59:46




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 Re: Leveling Ground with a Disk in reply to JMS/MN, 10-13-2004 16:08:20  
Yea, I do one trip in spring and plant with a field cultivator w/spring harrow bar. A disk is hardly used by anyone any more - we all have one, I use mine on cornstalks I graze the cattle on, but mostly they are parked in the grove. They leave ridges, pack the ground. I too noticed everyone here seems to like them, not sure why.

--->Paul



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Tim(nj)

10-15-2004 20:20:48




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 Plowed Sod in reply to paul, 10-13-2004 19:59:46  
Particularly orchardgrass. That"s when my heavy old Taylor-Way disk comes in handy after plowing. The field cultivator by itself just pulls up lumps of dead grass. Disk it deep to cut up the rootmass, then hit it with the cultivator with a packer behind and plant corn. I don"t plow up sod frequently, but when I have to, I need that disk.



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Allan in NE

10-15-2004 04:42:15




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 Re: Leveling Ground with a Disk in reply to paul, 10-13-2004 19:59:46  
Hey Paul,

Don't wanna argue with you, but a disc is like a plow in that if it is leaving ridges, it is set up wrong.

Finished product from both implements should be as flat as a pinochle tabletop.

Allan



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Indydirtfarmer

10-14-2004 09:39:36




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 Re: Leveling Ground with a Disk in reply to paul, 10-13-2004 19:59:46  
It's called "resistance to change". People tend to continue to do what they've always done in the past. Or what their father did.

It's a miracle that chisel plowing and no-tilling ever caught on. John



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JMS/MN

10-14-2004 16:03:27




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 Re: Leveling Ground with a Disk in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-14-2004 09:39:36  
I agree with the 'resistance to change'. Twenty years ago I asked the local JD dealer, who also handled Glencoe, to buy and rent out a SoilSaver, so we farmers could try a new concept. He refused. Dealer ten miles north put on a demo. Almost no one plows around here anymore- it's all disc chisels. Historically, I thought JD tillage equipment was crap- still see very little of it around here. Green tractors pull other colors.

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paul

10-13-2004 13:27:49




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 Re: Leveling Ground with a Disk in reply to pbutler, 10-13-2004 12:29:32  
I'd think you need them both set about the same, or the disk will throw more dirt one way than the other & create ridges. In my experience the front gang throws more anyhow, your configuration would make that even worse.

--->Paul



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JMS/MN

10-13-2004 12:51:02




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 Re: Leveling Ground with a Disk in reply to pbutler, 10-13-2004 12:29:32  
If your rear gang is set at 5 % or degrees, whichever you meant- it is doing almost nothing. If you need to level a field you need to run at an angle to the rows, since they created the peaks and valleys. Your disk angle will create a soil-throwing effect, and most likely be very effective if you run 30-45 degrees to the row. If you cut releatively shallow and increase speed you will throw the soil more and do more leveling. Going at 90 degrees accomplishes very little and just creates a rough ride. Experiment with angle and speed and observe the results.

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