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Hayfarmer

10-06-2004 19:39:06




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What type, model brand is best? Use a sickle mower and later rake but think if I used condtioner inbetween these could dry hay better. Are they still made? Has anyone had success converting conditioner from swather to an individual unit?




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Leland

10-07-2004 21:23:19




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 Re: Hay conditioners in reply to Hayfarmer, 10-06-2004 19:39:06  
Look for a 1209 deere moco will handle any cutting job evens eats and spits out full grown deer.



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Tim(nj)

10-07-2004 19:45:16




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 Re: Hay conditioners in reply to Hayfarmer, 10-06-2004 19:39:06  
There is an Amish shop (it"s either Esch Manufacturing or Smucker Repair) in the Lancaster, PA area that does make small batches of new hay conditioners with steel rollers every year. Most are sold with engines, but many Amish now have power carts they pull behind the horses that consist of an engine and a high-flow power-beyond hydraulic system, so they are also sold with hydraulic motor drive. The Macerator mentioned in another post is a high-volume, big-dollar unit intended for producing "super-conditioned hay", which appears to be the up-and-coming thing with the horse feeders around here.

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Jim in IA

10-07-2004 18:02:52




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 Re: Hay conditioners in reply to Hayfarmer, 10-06-2004 19:39:06  
Years ago my grandfather had a conditioner he pulled on a tractor with a side mount sickle bar mower so you wound be conditioning the swath you cut the last time around.But that was before Mo-Co's were too popular
MacDon still makes some kind of conditioner they call it macerator, have not seen one only ads. I think you would be better of with a Mower-condioner....Jim



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Mike (WA)

10-07-2004 12:23:57




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 Re: Hay conditioners in reply to Hayfarmer, 10-06-2004 19:39:06  
Used a conditioner years ago, before the advent of mower conditioners. We had a lot of trouble with grass winding up on the rollers until we discovered, quite by accident, that the trouble disapperaed if you kept up with the mower, and conditioned before grass had a chance to "wilt" and get sticky. Requires two tractors and two operators, but was worth the trouble.



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Errin OH

10-07-2004 08:31:21




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 Re: Hay conditioners in reply to Hayfarmer, 10-06-2004 19:39:06  
What type, model brand is best?

I have a NI that has a steel roller on bottom and a rubber roller on top. The only problem I have had with it is long grass wraping around the rubber roler. I have seen, but not used, a JD that had both rollers made of steel. Deep groves that realy put the crunch to the hay. Looked pretty aggressive. Others tell me they are the cats meow.

Are they still made?

Can't say I have ever seen a new one advertised.

Has anyone had success converting conditioner from swather to an individual unit?

Not sure what your asking? I thought a swather was a selfpropled cut and conditioner? You mean just the head? Guess you could fix a way to mount it to a tractor and drive it with a hyd motor???

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txblu

10-07-2004 09:37:42




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 Re: Hay conditioners in reply to Errin OH, 10-07-2004 08:31:21  
Rubber roller got any burrs, missing rubber, rubber loose ends. That'll collect hay.

Mark



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Errin OH

10-07-2004 11:45:09




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 Re: Hay conditioners in reply to txblu, 10-07-2004 09:37:42  
Quite a few. It appears the rubber roller is made from re-cycled tires. Bunch of stamped disks put on a shaft to form the top roller. Works great in alfalfa. But, had to carry a sharp knife and watch it in long grass. Once it started, if it didn't throw it off fairly quickly, it would ball up and have to be cut out.



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txblu

10-07-2004 12:46:49




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 Re: Hay conditioners in reply to Errin OH, 10-07-2004 11:45:09  
Just passing on what I read in previous threads. Guy had sticking problems, eliminated his roller snags and problems disappeared.

Good luck.

Mark



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Hayfarmer

10-07-2004 07:24:07




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 Re: Hay conditioners in reply to Hayfarmer, 10-06-2004 19:39:06  
Guess I should be more specific. I raise Timothy/Alfalfa combination hay. Seems like it takes too long to dry if stem not crimped. Most guys here use the self propelled swathers with conditioners, they also use fluffers to fluff windrows prior to baling, gets them opened up to air. Fluffers are great with grass hay cause you can beat the tar out of it without changing quality a lot but alfalfa looses all it's leaves when fluffed. Looking for a conditioner and wondering what works best.

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Leroy

10-12-2004 17:26:04




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 Re: Hay conditioners in reply to Hayfarmer, 10-07-2004 07:24:07  
I would say a John deere model 21 conditioner would be best, narrow groves with both rollers driven, orignal John Deere model (1?) was good but more noisy as only one roller was driven, J D model 22 had wide spaces would also pick up good but not as much steem braking, rubber rollers mash the sten all the way instead of breaking the stem twice for every grove in roller, rubber will not pick up as good as steel, AC was good rubber roll type as well as IHC no. 2 with rubber rolls, pulled in tandem with mower with conditioner hitch with 28 HP tractor in Alfalfa & Timothy mix. All the conditioners will be from late 50's to early 70's, no new made for years

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James in NC

10-07-2004 05:28:26




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 Re: Hay conditioners in reply to Hayfarmer, 10-06-2004 19:39:06  
In my opinion if you just have grass hay a tedder will be more usefull then a conditioner, because it can also help dry out rained on hay. If you have hay with stems, beans, oats, sudex, etc. then a conditioner will help drying a lot by breaking up the stalk.



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txblu

10-07-2004 06:46:23




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 Re: Hay conditioners in reply to James in NC, 10-07-2004 05:28:26  
I'm a newbie. Been hobby farmin 25 yrs and hayin bout 4. Tried sickles, bush hogs, swathers (mower conditioners) and tedders.

The field where I cut grass is triangular.

The sickle does not crush stems so grasses are ok, but thick stemmed forage (sudan) takes forever to cure. So I only cut grass with it. Found it clumped up and made wet spots when the rest was dry. Tedder fixed that..... scattered hay evenly all over the field.

Sold the sickle and use bush hog to cut grass hay now. Sickle was too much hassle on a triangular field that had no access where you could get out of the hay to position the cutter for the next pass, and it kept getting hay hung up on it....wasted a lot of time fooling with it. Now that I sold the sickle, don't need the tedder. But tedder is nice for rained on hay. You can tedd it daily and keep it from mildewing and rotting till it's dry enough to bale.

Swather. Cuts, has height control (hydraulic), crimps stems for fast curing, and has windrower. Only cut stemmy forage with it and do not tedd stemmy forage. They come with an adjustable gate on the back where you can adjust the width of the row.

So what'd all that prove. Nothing. Just sharing my operation with you allowing you to make you own judgements.

Mark

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