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Tim(nj)

09-27-2004 21:02:50

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Friend of mine borrowed a livestock trailer that was registered, had a current plate sticker, and working lights. For some reason, there was an SMV symbol decal on the rear door of the trailer. Cop pulled him over and gave him a ticket for displaying SMV on a vehicle travelling over 25 MPH. Just something to be aware of if you"re planning on pulling something home behind your pickup truck.

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Paul Janke

09-28-2004 19:25:04

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Tim(nj), 09-27-2004 21:02:50

Another thing about SMV signs. I always remove them except when needed on the road because the sun fades them so bad. They seem to last forever if kept out of the sun.

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Dave H (MI)

09-28-2004 18:07:31

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Tim(nj), 09-27-2004 21:02:50

I nailed a SMV sign on the tailgate of my small utility trailer. It has tubular framing and the mice get in there and chew the wires. You can hook up and check the lights only to have them go on and off the whole time you are on the road. You won't know unless someone behind tells you.
The SMV sign was meant to be a backup in case of emergency. It's hard to miss. Anybody know where I can get some of that reflective tape truckers use? Then I will take the SMV sign down.

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kyhayman

09-28-2004 19:06:51

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Dave H (MI), 09-28-2004 18:07:31

I've ordered them from Gemplers and the local NAPA store.

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big al

09-28-2004 13:47:42

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Tim(nj), 09-27-2004 21:02:50

my daddy used to say that "if you can't see that big wagon how the h--- are you going to see that small sign".

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willie j

09-28-2004 06:25:24

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Tim(nj), 09-27-2004 21:02:50

Gentlemen
If my memory is correct, the SMV (fanny flag) came out in the late 50's. Think it was a national standard, for vehicles designed to not exceed 25 mph. Also the tires on most implements are marked by manufacturer not to exceed the 25 mph.
To pick a couple nits, pull a road rated trailer with a tractor, SMV required. Load that tractor on a road rated trailer or truck, cover or remove the SMV, as the vehicle is road rated & is the controling factor, although the load is not.
Slow implements in fast traffic is another topic for another day.

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Indydirtfarmer

09-28-2004 03:18:40

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Tim(nj), 09-27-2004 21:02:50

I live in Kentucky, and farm MOSTLY in Indiana. The 2 states have COMPLETELY different laws pertaining to trailer towing. SAme applies to hauling farm equipment on the road.
Kentucky doesn't require trailer lighting, unless you're on an interstate, or pulling at night-time. If the truck lights are visible from behind the trailer, you don't need lighting at all, except on the interstates again.
Indiana requires trailers to be lit properly, no matter what. If it's a licensed trailer, those lights need to be working, EVEN if it's being towed with a farm tractor. (Kentucky doesn't require license on trailers) SMV laws are vague. It isn't reccomended to use an SMV emblem on vehicles going over 25 MPH, but it isn't illegal. Now comes the "common sense" part... I mount all my SMV emblems with those "socket mounts" that are so common. That way, I can pull them off when I'm in a situation where I don't need it. If I'm going to be out on the road, going 30-40-50 + MPH, why run one. It just diminish's the importance of using one when it IS needed. The only things I use "stick on" SMV emblems on are the combine, an old baler, and a liquid fertilizer nurse tank (wagon) that wouldn't allow being towed over 20 MPH if my life depended on it. You're talking about YOUR saftey, as well as the saftey of everyone else on the road. Use SMV emblems for their intended purpose. ON VEHICLES GOING UNDER 25 MPH! BUT...That needs to be looked at with relative caution. If you're going 30MPH on a 70 MPH highway, you might want to re-think the 25 MPH limit. Like so many other things in life...JUST USE GOOD COMMON SENSE! John

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Chuck MI

09-28-2004 04:30:50

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 09-28-2004 03:18:40

Hey John

Not to be a prickly pear, but I thought that all 70 mph highways carried a minimum speed limit of 45mph except when road conditions justified a slower speed?

Chuck

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Indydirtfarmer

09-28-2004 05:44:08

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Chuck MI, 09-28-2004 04:30:50

They do in Michigan. Indiana and Kentucky don't allow speeds of over 65 on interstates, and 55 on all State Highways. I was just using the 70 MPH as an example... What I'm trying to say is don't use SMV's on roads when you're going FASTER than 25 or 30 MPH. HOWEVER...If you HAVE to transport on faster roads, think about the speed differential. Someone running 55 will run up on a 30MPH vehicle WAY TOO FAST. BTDT. Last Sunday, we were driving home with a trailer loaded with equipment bought in Mich. I was running on a 2 lane state road in Indiana. I came up on an oldtimer driving a grain truck at 30MPH. I was running 60. Dang near ran over him before I got whoa-ed up. He MIGHT have been well advised to use an SMV emblem driving like that. Point is; I'm a farmer. I drive slow vehicles on busy roads. I'm used to farmers being on the road....And I almost ran into the back of this guy. It can happen to ANYONE! John

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JMS/MN

09-27-2004 21:13:36

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Tim(nj), 09-27-2004 21:02:50

The cop was right- SMV signs are not for vehicles going over 25mph. Some people use them for driveway markers. That is wrong. When the farming community is trying to make the highway driving public aware of our concerns, we need to use the signs appropriately.

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Loren-MN

09-27-2004 21:45:58

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to JMS/MN, 09-27-2004 21:13:36

What about a farm wagon? Has SMV on the back, no lights (although I've given some thought to putting some on it. I pull this frequently down the road for various reasons behind my pickup. Landfill trips, hauling brush, even help a friend move with it. If the loads not to heavy, I'll do 45-50 mph with it. It's a JD running gear, so follows perfect. What are the legalities here?

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Can't even use my name

09-28-2004 20:19:33

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Loren-MN, 09-27-2004 21:45:58

Plain and simple. If the sign is displayed you can't legally go over 25 MPH! Not saying that I haven't or that the cops around here even know what a SMV sign is but if it is on you aren't legally supposed to go over 25 MPH. Funny thing is I just saw two county trucks pulling a small road patching two wheeled trailer and it had an SMV sign on it. Dumb a$$es!

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paul

09-28-2004 08:13:15

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Loren-MN, 09-27-2004 21:45:58

If you are over 25 in MN, no sign.

If you are not hauling farm produce or supplies for your own farm within 150 miles of your own farm, normal DOT type laws apply to your trailer or wagon - lighted, licenced, and so on. You are taking a risk of getting ticketed by hauling non-farm items.

--->Paul

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paul

09-28-2004 08:18:07

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to paul, 09-28-2004 08:13:15

I forgot to add, the age of your wagon makes a difference too. About mid 80s in MN they started adding rules for reflectors, lighting, brakes on certain weights, etc. It becomes very complicated. You are generally ok with old stuff hauling farm stuff for yourself. Get outside that box, & you best look up the rules closely.

--->Paul

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JMS/MN

09-28-2004 07:38:19

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Loren-MN, 09-27-2004 21:45:58

Some years ago a cop stopped me while hauling silage in the evening- said in Mn, farm trailers had to have lights on. Technically he was right on the law. Regarding speed- the sign is designed to indicate a vehicle moving under 25 mph. (Not the size of a machine, as in the cop story below). If the sign is misused, it will mean nothing to approaching traffic.

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Chuck MI

09-28-2004 04:34:00

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Loren-MN, 09-27-2004 21:45:58

I personally have never seen a running gear that I would feel comfortable going 45-50 with, light or empty or whatever. Those things were not designed to go that fast.

Chuck

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Leland

09-28-2004 06:37:05

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Chuck MI, 09-28-2004 04:34:00

We would pull empty racks and nurse tanks that fast were I grew up all the time.If you get a good running gear don't be afraid of it you bought it to use and as everybody says time is money. as far as SMV signs the one fell off the bosses giant red combine and a state trooper pulled him over to tell him about and jack told him if they can't see this huge red machine what good is a little red sign

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Chuck MI

09-28-2004 09:25:15

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Safety first! in reply to Leland, 09-28-2004 06:37:05

Time may be money, but lives cannot be replaced!

There are too many people out there pulling loads, that think if they push down on the accelerator and it moves, then they are good to go. Use your head. Slow down and keep it in control. Running gear are meant to be pulled by tractors, not some yahoo in a pickup.

People above mentioned public perception of farmers...avoiding accidents will do the most good here. Avoid high traffic roads if possible, take the back roads even if it is the long way around. I personally hate pulling wagons in traffic...it turns my hair grey and my shorts brown.:(

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Leland

09-28-2004 09:56:44

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Re: Safety first! in reply to Chuck MI, 09-28-2004 09:25:15

loaded we took it easy but empty we hurried a little,and knock on wood we have had no accidents in over 20 that I can reemember involving anybody pulling running gears but one time when some moron forgot to put a clip in pin and it come out.

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Indydirtfarmer

09-28-2004 05:46:45

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Chuck MI, 09-28-2004 04:34:00

I've seen exactly 2 running gear, in my lifetime, with brakes. RARE indeed. I wouldn't take ANY wagon, brakes or not, over 30 MPH. They aren't intended for that kind of speed. John Deere or not..... .John

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Leland

09-28-2004 17:29:28

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 09-28-2004 05:46:45

Quite a few of the larger running gears now have brakes, and they handle quite nice with 5-600 bushels in them drag them fast empty, crawl loaded with 2 of them behind tamden. It's fun to slow down 1700-1800 bushels of corn.

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JMS/MN

09-28-2004 11:48:08

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Re: SMV symbol and speed in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 09-28-2004 05:46:45

Around here, the bigger farmers use straight trucks or semi's to haul, but the mid-size that still prefer gravity boxes are buying 400-600 bushel units with brakes and lights, pulled by tractors. I won't pull my 250 bu wagons with the pickup because of weight and braking issues, but will still pull two behind the 120-150hp tractors. When I sell grain, I hire a neighbor with a semi. No more going to market with a wagon with no brakes.

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