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Matthew(MICH)

09-26-2004 17:25:25




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I've notice a few beef cow farmer in my area using a fail chopper to cut green alfalfa. They are pulling a feeder wagon behind the chopper. What advantages are there to cutting and feeding green alfalfa to the cows over baling it and feeding? I know it's getting late to bale hay here in Michigan but I am seeing baling being done this weekend. Just would like to know a little bit about cutting and feeding green alfalfa daily to beef cows.

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Matthew

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Hay Dr

09-27-2004 06:14:52




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 Take the weather out of making hay. in reply to Matthew(MICH), 09-26-2004 17:25:25  
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Bale it green,Wrap the alfalfa and get Twice the food value. You can rent a wrapper for a COOP or local dealer just to try some bales.

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Allan in NE

09-27-2004 05:20:38




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 Re: Implement / Cattleman ???? in reply to Matthew(MICH), 09-26-2004 17:25:25  
Matt,

Are you sure they are feeding to beef cows?

Dairies green chop all the time as it increases the production of milk dramatically.

Downside is that the butterfat level will drop.

Allan



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Matthew(Mich)

09-27-2004 07:53:28




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 Re: Implement / Cattleman ???? in reply to Allan in NE, 09-27-2004 05:20:38  

Yup, Pretty much herefords and angus beef cow being fed. Farmer pulls the full feeder wagon right into the pasture and lets them eat away. Next night cuts more and same process.

Matthew



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Michael Soldan

09-26-2004 20:26:51




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 Re: Implement / Cattleman ???? in reply to Matthew(MICH), 09-26-2004 17:25:25  
Matt, they are probably feeding right off the wagon for dairy ration. I know the weather has been great in Michigan for haying as has been in Ontario, but I was always told you shouldn't hay in a month with an "R" in it..... Mike in Exeter Ontario



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Jim@concordfarms

09-27-2004 07:25:29




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 Re: Implement / Cattleman ???? in reply to Michael Soldan, 09-26-2004 20:26:51  
Okay, now let me see if I got all this: First, don't eat oysters in a month that doesn't have an R, and now you're saying don't cut alfalfa in a month that does have an R. If I get mixed I'm liable to kill my self and the cows too! Just kidin'. Jim.



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jhlll

09-27-2004 09:01:25




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 Re: Implement / Cattleman ???? in reply to Jim@concordfarms, 09-27-2004 07:25:29  
Here in Mi you are supposed to avoid cutting hay in September to allow the roots to store up nutrients for the winter. Otherwise you can cut whenever the weather is good ikncluding October but you usually have a hard time getting the hay to dry. Many sheepmen will graze in Oct. if the field is fenced.



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paul

09-27-2004 03:59:26




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 Re: Implement / Cattleman ???? in reply to Michael Soldan, 09-26-2004 20:26:51  
Alfalfa stores energy in it's roots to regrow next year. It basically needs 600 growing degree days to replentish itself, or it is very weak & prone to winterkill.

It can give up about 200 growing degree days without much harm. So, you can cut it well before, or right during a killing frost; but it's bad to cut it during that middle period.

More of us are just taking a chance the past few years & cutting it late. I have 2 acres of alfalfa that ends up in my cornstalk grazing field every year, & the cattle use it to lay down, graze it to nothing, even mud it a bit and it has been doing well. This was a clay hill I park machinery on, kind of a waste corner. I had a 1/2 bag of alfalfa in the drill 6-7 years ago & interplanted into the grass there. But I generally bale it once, let the cattle graze it 2 times, and then they mash it in fall. Keeps coming through. Alfalfa might be tougher than we think, as long as it gets all that cow fertilizer & it gets one long 45-50 day growing period each year.

--->Paul

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John in IN

09-27-2004 16:10:25




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 Re: Implement / Cattleman ???? in reply to paul, 09-27-2004 03:59:26  
What qualifies as a growing degree day? I would figure it is a time and temp formula of some sort. Just curious.

Thanks, John



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jhill

09-26-2004 19:58:46




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 Re: Implement / Cattleman ???? in reply to Matthew(MICH), 09-26-2004 17:25:25  
I am also from Mi. They are green chopping feed. Original idea was that you would be able to feed same cattle on less acres than pasturing because cattle can't trample feed, There is much less labor involved than baling. Just one pass to feed cattle. Usually done for dairy cattle where high quality feed is important. It's also a way to supplement late season pasture. Its been really dry and pasture is short here right now.

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Dave H (MI)

09-26-2004 19:27:10




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 Re: Implement / Cattleman ???? in reply to Matthew(MICH), 09-26-2004 17:25:25  
First of all, it is not late to be baling in Michigan. The weather is great right now. Second, y'all can correct me if I am wrong but aren't those guys with the choppers making hay sileage?



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Tim(nj)

09-26-2004 20:21:56




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 Re: Implement / Cattleman ???? in reply to Dave H (MI), 09-26-2004 19:27:10  
Not with a flail chopper. Our neighbor used to put up alfalfa haylage with a cutterdrum field chopper, like you"d use for corn but with a pickup head. The alfalfa had to be wilted a little to put in the silo. He used a flail chopper, which makes a longer, rougher cut, to blow green feed right into a feeder wagon to take to the cows. As said by other posters, it allowed his cows to get green feed when the pasture was grazed short or drought-stressed. It also allowed him to utilize alfalfa for feed when weather conditions would prevent baling for dry hay and the silo was full. When straw supplies were tight, he used the flail chopper to collect corn fodder to use as bedding after the picker had been through the field.

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Dave H (MI)

09-27-2004 07:33:12




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 Re: Implement / Cattleman ???? in reply to Tim(nj), 09-26-2004 20:21:56  
Thanks Tim! I always thought when they were shooting it right into a wagon that it was going in the silo. That's the best thing about the forums....you learn something new every week.



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