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How to put grease fittings on NI hay rake?

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RayP(MI)

09-23-2004 18:15:30




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Have an old NI 3pt hitch, pto driven, 5 bar hay rake - model, serial unknown. Want to put grease fittings on the bearings on ends of the bars. Yeah, I know, drill holes, thread, and install zerks... Question is, where to drill holes, so I don't run into the bearings encased in the balls, and where to put fittings so that they don't constantly pick up and carry strands of hay. Anyone ever seen factory installed fittings, or installed any on their own? Where do you put them? Takeing nuts loose that mount bearing to spider wheel looks like a serious problem, as they're well rusted on, and the only way to grip bolt is with slot in end of bolt. That's why I want to lubricate bearings, so I don't have a failure and have to tear things down!

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txblu

09-24-2004 06:15:46




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 Re: How to put grease fittings on NI hay rake? in reply to RayP(MI), 09-23-2004 18:15:30  
Stand in front of the rake. Look at the bearing. You should see a flat plate; if not pick the very center of where you can picture the bearing to be mounted. Looking around back at the location of the bolt could help locate center.....doesn't have to be perfect.

If drilling the flat plate, it is only .020 or so and you drill thru it pretty fast. If cast (like the bar it'self), it'll be thicker.

Once the drill bit clears the cover, there is a gap before the drill hits metal again. Stop there. I think mine is 1/4-20, but not sure. Get a zirk and measure.

Use only the small nipple, no angles, elbows, big fat agricultural types or any of that.

Grease until you see grease coming out between the bar and the star support. You'll probably be surprised at how much water you push out in the process.

Grass does not hang up on this and your rake will last indefinitely. I do it to a rake as soon as I buy one (had a bearing rust off one time and after replacing it I said never again).

I give the same treatment to so called "permanently lubricated" tie rod ends.

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Lemonl

09-24-2004 19:12:52




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 Re: How to put grease fittings on NI hay rake? in reply to txblu, 09-24-2004 06:15:46  
If I read that post correctly,the flat plate you refer to is covering the flat surface of the bearing on the "inside" edge of the 5 bars...and if so, is it safe to follow the same procedure for a NH 56 rake??(on which that flat surface referred to on a NI surface I am assuming is the"domed" or rounded one on the NH.
I would really like to add those jerks as well!!...and if I can avoid total disassembly, it will be a lot sooner than if I have to disassemble the thing!

Thanks as usual!!Regards, Lee

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txblu

09-26-2004 07:11:42




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 Re: How to put grease fittings on NI hay rake? in reply to Lemonl, 09-24-2004 19:12:52  
The bearings that I replaced "once" was a ball bearing of roughly 1.5" diameter married to a bolt. The balls run around between the inner and outer races of the bearing. The inside is where the bolt marries to the inner race of the ball bearing. The metal cover to which I refer, is to keep things out (dust, dirt, water). I have done this many times and never had a problem.

Like I said in the later post, crawl under your P/u and look at your tie rod ends. Same thing applies as to location of the zerk. Difference there is that the rake has balls and the truck has interference fit bearings.

I've even drilled out tie rod ends on cars for my kids (when I was in the rent-a-wreck business...keeping 4 in transportation)and installed zerks.

Wish you luck

Mark

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Wayne M Kittler

09-24-2004 18:46:44




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 Re: How to put grease fittings on NI hay rake? in reply to txblu, 09-24-2004 06:15:46  
Just what do rake bar bearings themselves look like. Are they a metal sleeve that act as a bushing? And how far along the length of the cover do they run ? Is IH on the 14, 15, 16 or 35 similiar ?



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RayP(MI)

09-24-2004 19:13:13




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 Re: How to put grease fittings on NI hay rake? in reply to Wayne M Kittler, 09-24-2004 18:46:44  
Wayne - good question. Guess I should have made a better description. Don't know what the bearings themselves look like, haven't taken one apart, was hoping I wouldn't have to. Bearings are housed in a baseball sized metal ball welded to either end of the rake bars. Sticking out of flat side of this ball is a threaded shaft which goes through the hole in the spider wheel. There is a nut on other side of spider wheel that holds everything together, and a slot in the end of the threaded shaft - I suppose to allow a large screwdriver to hold shaft while trying to unscrew nut. I don't have any idea what the bearing inside the ball is, but it has no provision for lubrication, and I don't want them to wear out prematurely! They are going to be a bear to repair, as nut(s) are well rusted on. Other bearings at the pto shaft, and the star wheels had predrilled and tapped holes with set screws in them, and it was easy to thread in a zerk fitting. I suspect that I can tap the hole in the back side of the ball exactly opposite the threaded shaft that comes out to the spider wheel, but was hoping some one else had been there before. Thanks for asking! Ray

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scott komar

10-10-2006 20:46:55




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 Re: How to put grease fittings on NI hay rake? in reply to RayP(MI), 09-24-2004 19:13:13  
yes tapping a hole on the opposite side for a grease fitting is very good idea, we had bought a ih15 rake and had to replace like 5 bearings and they are like 35 bucks a piece, but when we reinstalled we drilled and tapped for grease fittings now they should never wear out



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txblu

09-26-2004 07:26:05




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 Re: How to put grease fittings on NI hay rake? in reply to RayP(MI), 09-24-2004 19:13:13  
Look for new post.

Mark



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