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What to do with this 6 acres

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Kelly C

09-17-2004 04:06:05




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Need to figure out what to do with this 6 acre field. I plowed it in may and started disking it. Was going to plant Alfalfa/ Grass mix in it with a oats cover crop. Rain started and changed that plan. Then haying started and never got to it.
I figured I would replow it in a week or so.
Should I plow it then let it sit till spring or try to plant the hay to maybe get a crop in June?
This is in Minnesota. Any Ideas would be good.

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JMS/MN

09-17-2004 11:49:01




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to Kelly C, 09-17-2004 04:06:05  
Kelly, you and Dave and I are at about the same latitude, and Paul is about 90 miles south of us. Even here, mid Sept is too late to plant alfalfa in an average year. Ideally, we would shoot for the last half of August, but I have planted as late as Sept. 13. Stand was ok, but the year was unusual. Have a neighbor who often chopped silage early when the kids were still home from school, then disked the ground and straight-seeded alfalfa. Done by Labor Day, although the rest of us chop corn silage about mid-Sept. For him it was a help availability thing.

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paul

09-17-2004 08:23:10




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to Kelly C, 09-17-2004 04:06:05  
Shoulda woulda coulda - you are about 3 weeks too late. you could field cultivate it & plant alfalfa straight now, but with this odd weather.... It would be a big risk. You woulda had good alfalfa all next year. But, hard to do it now, it's a risk.

Winter wheat always froze out for us, & you are north.... Rye is a good crop, but got harder to sell around here.

Good times to plant alfalfa are April with a cover crop, or August straight seeded (cover crop if you have hills). Those catch our rainy periods.

I was planning on planting 1/2 acre to an alfalfa & hay mix a week ago - we got 4 inches of rain, and this was a damp spot. So I'm going to try planting it next week. But, could easily be worthless. We will see.

Sounds like you are planning a spring seeding. Probably the safest at this time.

--->Paul

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Kelly C

09-17-2004 10:23:39




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to paul, 09-17-2004 08:23:10  
Good thing I get to do this land for free otherwise I would be hurting :-)
I planned on plowing last fall but got froze out when I had time. Planned on planting this spring, had tractor trouble then rain. This Aug if its not raining I was haying. So I guess I will plow her up this fall then plant in the spring.



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Allan in NE

09-17-2004 11:51:27




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to Kelly C, 09-17-2004 10:23:39  
Hey Kelly!

Now, I'm just jesting with ya, okay?

But, what is this fixation you have with that darned plow? :>)

What are you turning under anyway?

Allan



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paul

09-17-2004 17:27:27




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to Allan in NE, 09-17-2004 11:51:27  
Plowing is pretty common up here in MN. It is too cold & too wet in spring to plant until June if you don"t & are on heavier soils. Frost is in the ground to 4 feet, doesn"t come out until end of April - snow melt has no where to go & sun doesn"t warm anything up unless it"s black. The soil mellows real nice if you plow it in fall & we get 10 below all winter. Makes for a good seedbed with a light field cultivation in spring, ready to plant.

--->Paul

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Allan in NE

09-17-2004 17:58:43




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to paul, 09-17-2004 17:27:27  
Hi Paul,

Yes, Kelly enlightened me on the heavy cover. I guess I just didn't realize he had that much to turn under.

The reason I was quizzin' him was that I was remembering an old embarrassment from many years ago and I notice that some of the younger guys have a hair-trigger to hitch to the plow.

My dad had told me when I was just a lad to get out there and get the spring plowing done.

With a youngster's enthusiasm and knee-jerk reactions without first thinking, I figured I would just plow the whole darned place from fence to fence since we had to plant it all anyhow.

Well, you guessed it, that first 30 acres was open bean ground & I plowed 'er anyway.....took me about 3 years to live that one down. Not only from my dad, but all those laughing neighbors as well. :>)

'Course I know Kelly has more sense than that.

Thanks,

Allan

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paul

09-18-2004 10:41:55




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to Allan in NE, 09-17-2004 17:58:43  
About 20% of the bean ground within 40 miles of me gets plowed as well in the fall. I used to until ~5 years ago, when I got a chisel plow. There were advantages to the plow, the corn got 2 days head start, less weeds. Chisel saves time in fall, fuel, and perhaps some erosion.

--->Paul



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Kelly C

09-17-2004 12:53:12




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to Allan in NE, 09-17-2004 11:51:27  
Lot has grown over with weeds. I suppose I could just disk it up??



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davemn8n

09-17-2004 07:10:12




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to Kelly C, 09-17-2004 04:06:05  
Kelly , the retired farmer i often seek advice from has told me several times not to plant alfalfa after august 15.Thats what ive been following the last couple years and seems to work out for me.We are in Sherburne County.



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RickL

09-17-2004 05:57:48




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to Kelly C, 09-17-2004 04:06:05  
Kelly; You could do the same with rye grain also.Plant and seed with alfalfa,but back off on the rye some as it will smother otherwise. I always do my alfalfa seeding in the spring,seem have lot better luck getting it good stand. Seeds to expensive to get half stand. I will be seeding my rye fields as soon as soybeans come off.But you do what works best for you.



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Kelly C

09-17-2004 06:40:45




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to RickL, 09-17-2004 05:57:48  
So far I am kind of leaning to plow and disk this fall. Let its ferm up over the winter and seed in may again.



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RickL

09-17-2004 07:06:39




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to Kelly C, 09-17-2004 06:40:45  
Kelly; Sounds fine to me. Here is another Idea I have done. Plant rye now harvest next July,August then seed down after rye harvest. But as I mentioned earlier I really like the alfalfa to go in in the spring.Good luck. Have you visited my new web site now going. www.RickSales.com enjoy Rick



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Kelly C

09-17-2004 06:40:17




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to RickL, 09-17-2004 05:57:48  
So far I am kind of leaning to plow and disk this fall. Let its ferm up over the winter and seed in may again.



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Indydirtfarmer

09-17-2004 04:57:01




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to Kelly C, 09-17-2004 04:06:05  
Advise on planting hay crops is a regional thing. What I do in Southern Indiana/North-Central Kentucky would have little bearing on what you would do in Minn. My first reaction was to tell you to ask "Paul" who frequents this site. He is in your area, and could give you a more regional answer.
I'm just guessing, but it might be a little late for planting alfalfa in your northern growing region. Unless you are just overgrown with weeds, I don't see the need to "re-plow". I'd just disc and plant. You didn't say if you had plans to spray for weed control. There are litterally HUNDREDS of "options" as to how you would go about planting a hayfield. Also, I'd suggest contacting your soil and water conservation district office, (or whatever it is called in Mn.)for more localized advice. They will likely recomend testing the soil first. Then they can give you a little better guidance than those of us many miles from your area. Good luck. John

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Chuck in Ks,

09-17-2004 04:43:50




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to Kelly C, 09-17-2004 04:06:05  
Kelly, Alfafa gets planted in the fall here. I don't know when you plant there but why don't you check into it as you were planning to plant alfalfa anyway?
My .02!
Chuck



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Allan in NE

09-17-2004 04:16:48




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to Kelly C, 09-17-2004 04:06:05  
Kelly,

Just my 2 cents because your growing season is the same as ours.

Smack 'er with a field cultivator and drill it to winter wheat. Time to plant, right now.

Allan



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Kelly C

09-17-2004 04:23:01




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to Allan in NE, 09-17-2004 04:16:48  
Why winter wheat? I would assume I would need to disk and plant the hay in the spring again?
Sorry for my ignorance, but if you saw my garden you would understand :-)



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Allan in NE

09-17-2004 05:19:59




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 Re: What to do with this 6 acres in reply to Kelly C, 09-17-2004 04:23:01  
Kelly,

Pardon me while I say this: "Two words that just DO NOT go together are: Kelly C and ignorance".

There, got that out of my system. :>)

I'm tellin' ya, if it was me, I'd take a gamble and drop that alfalfa right in with some winter wheat.

That way, you haven't totally wasted this year and with a little bit of luck, you'll already have your hay field a shootin' out of the ground as soon as you take the wheat off in July.

But, ya gotta hurry. It's gettin' late.

And, leave that plow and disc set. Hit it with a shallow-set field cultivator or rod-weeder; just enough to kill the weeds. Small grains just do not do well in loose soil plus the fact that you want a somewhat firm hay field next summer.

Now, if it is already overgrown with tall standing weeds, you are screwed as far as any respectful wheat yield goes & you are forced to use the disc, but you can still take what you get on the wheat and get that alfalfa established.

Drop the alfalfa at a rate of 12 to 15 lbs, cross your fingers, and hope for a minimal winter-kill.

Your only other option, as I see it, is to disc it down this fall to knock down the weeds and then let it lay over, planting your nurse crop and alfalfa next spring.

Just my view and stated as such,

Allan

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