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Bernie in MA

09-13-2004 17:51:57

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Do any of you have a preference on what kind of tractor you use for baling; wide front-end or narrow front-end. Trying to decide whether a NFE is for me or not. TIA

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Bernie in MA

09-15-2004 06:00:57

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Bernie in MA, 09-13-2004 17:51:57

Thanks for all the replies. I'm going to look at a '50 Case VAC tomorrow and will probably buy it if it seems to be in good shape.

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tim[in]

09-14-2004 21:52:57

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Bernie in MA, 09-13-2004 17:51:57

i used a wd ac till i got a D 17. the wd was narrow front standard steering , the 17 power with 8 speeds and a wide front. the wd was too fast for baling very heavy especially in straw with my 14T i had at the time.

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Hugh MacKay

09-14-2004 19:09:38

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Bernie in MA, 09-13-2004 17:51:57

Bernie: Probably most of the hay put up in small square bales, in the history of mobile field balers has been done by 30 to 50 hp tractors. Narrow fronts were and advantage compared to pre 1960 wide fronts as they were much more manuverable.

With modern day wide fronts and power steering, that argument is gone by the wayside. I farmed in dairy country and the baler tractor of choice was 50 hp diesel, utility type, tractors like IH 574, 584, MF 65, 165, ect. The short wheel base of these tractors will give as much advantage as any factor. IPTO and TA are very useful. But one thing is certain, there is not a small square baler out there that will bale more hay by putting more than 50 hp on it.

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HY_Moose

09-15-2004 07:46:14

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-14-2004 19:09:38

Hugh I agree that most of the hay that has ever been square baled has been done with 50 horses or less. I bale with a farmall 400 that has M&W pistons and turns 60 horses and if I load it up I will just sheer a pin. An H Farmall(or a small ford ect.) could keep up with me with my baler. But I have to disagree with the fact that there is not a baler that will not do any better with anything more than 50 horses. My brothers are dairy farmers and I was told they bought a new Massey baler a few years back that took 90 horses and would really kick out the bales. I really didn't think it would be any different than any good New Holland baler even after my brothers said it was. Well a friend of mine that has baleed hay for my family and several other local farmers went out to bale for my brothers. They sent 2 hay hands out to stack on the wagon behind the new massey baler. Well my buddy told him to send the other dude to stack in the loft, cause there has never been a baler that he could not keep up with. They laughed and said OK we will let the other helper ride on the fender till you ask for help. They took off and when he got the first bale to the back of the wagon there were 2 more on the front of the wagon. He said that is the fastest baler he has ever saw. I have had several other people tell me the same thing, I don't know cause I have never gone out to watch tham bale with it. They tend to be short handed and need a guy on the wagon when family shows up :+) Happy balling all and I will stick with my old new holland. Its cheap and its not a man killer but will kick out a lot of nice bales with very few missed knots. Moose

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Hugh MacKay

09-15-2004 13:39:35

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to HY_Moose, 09-15-2004 07:46:14

HY : I think they are pulling your leg. A new Holland Super 69 will do that with a Farmall 300 up front. In fact I will bury the two best men you can find to put on wagon.

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HY_Moose

09-15-2004 20:31:40

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-15-2004 13:39:35

How many bales an hour will that thing kick out onto a wagon to bury 2 guys. We used to bale with a farmall 350 and a hayliner that would push 300 bales an hour and we only had 1 guy on the wagon ever. we even baled for a neighbor one time and he was about 60 and he kept up with it all afternoon till his hay was done. That was 1700 bales and we did not get started till 1 pm. But this new baler is way faster than that. But I still bale with a farmall 400 and an old new holland 268. Anything faster is just waisted because I am the only hay hand I have and I still ride the wagon alone with 78 year old father in law driving.

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Ken Macfarlane

09-15-2004 05:42:14

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-14-2004 19:09:38

Hugh, Just got done our baling season with a IH584 and 585. Worked well, but today trannys with more speeds would be nice. 2nd and 3rd have a big jump between em.

I know of some people running hydrostatic tractors for haying and they absolutely love em. Match the speed perfectly for the task.

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Hugh MacKay

09-15-2004 13:35:31

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 09-15-2004 05:42:14

Ken: From about 1967 and for about ten years I procrastinated over buying a Hydro tractor. I know they are nice, but I never felt dairy farming had enough precission tractor work to justify buying one. The feeling back then was they would be feasable for precission vegetable or potato seeding or harvesting

Over the years I did most of my square baling with New Holland Super 69 baler with thrower and Farmalls 300, 560 or 656. I've said this on more than one ocasion, Farmall 300 still holds the record for my farm baling onto wagon and in the barn, 9,000 bales in two consecutive days. (4,500 each day) It takes one heck of a lot of labour. I have baled 4,500 in a single day with 560 or 656 on numerous ocasions, but I was never able to duplicate the 9,000 in two days again. Haying with square balers was about manpower, not horsepower.

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thurlow

09-15-2004 05:41:17

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-14-2004 19:09:38

Hugh, Don't know which answers to all these quesions on all these boards I like best; those from people like you..... who've obviously been there/done that; or the amusement I get from others who are "experts" because they read something somewhere or happen to own a tractor. Of course, if one is a novice seeking advice, I don't know how one would separate the "experts" from the experts. While I enjoy a good laugh, I believe I'll take your answers every time..... .from one who has also been there/done that.....good advice.

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Hayfarmer

09-14-2004 07:17:23

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Bernie in MA, 09-13-2004 17:51:57

I hae used both and don't see a lot of difference for baling. Granted the narrow front turns more sharply but if running a pto baler you can't turn that tight anyway, at least wheile pto is engaged. I have a SMTA Farmall I use on a NH baler, has live PTO and the TA is nice when you want to slow for a heavy spot. It is a little harder to get on and off of than a utility type tractor, but view is good being up high.

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Hugh MacKay

09-14-2004 18:51:47

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Hayfarmer, 09-14-2004 07:17:23

Hayfarmer: I baled over 600,000 bales in 17 years with a NH Super 69, and much of it done with a narrow front Farmall 300. I never replaced a U joint on that baler and many many a time I have seen the tractor tire rolling the PTO shield on baler in oposite direction. Those PTO drives were engineered for full power as sharp as tractor and baler will turn, providing your hitch meets the standards.

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Dave H (MI)

09-14-2004 11:38:10

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Hayfarmer, 09-14-2004 07:17:23

Yes the TA is nice for the heavy spots but the independant PTO if even better when the baler starts to choke and you need to stop WITHOUT shutting off the baler.

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John Mc

09-14-2004 05:05:31

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Bernie in MA, 09-13-2004 17:51:57

I run a 1951 Case SC narrow front end in front of a IH 420 square baler and am very happy with the results.

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old

09-13-2004 21:43:57

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Bernie in MA, 09-13-2004 17:51:57

Iv'e used both and they both work very well unless you have to do it on hilly ground.

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old

09-13-2004 21:43:28

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Bernie in MA, 09-13-2004 17:51:57

Iv'e used both and they both work very well unless you have to do it on hilly ground.

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RJ-AZ

09-13-2004 19:34:38

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Bernie in MA, 09-13-2004 17:51:57

I've used both and really like a tractor with a comfortable seat and a good view. Best baler tractor I ever ran was a MF65 diesel wide front, plenty of power and manuverability. Of course were talking 30 years ago. I ran a neighbors big Freeman with a 4020 PS diesel that was a good setup.

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kyhayman

09-13-2004 18:22:06

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to Bernie in MA, 09-13-2004 17:51:57

I wont own a narrow front end tractor since I quit row cropping.

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Heat Houser

09-14-2004 04:06:44

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Re: Baling tractor in reply to kyhayman, 09-13-2004 18:22:06

I like a narrow front for the shorter turning radius and you don"t get as "stuck" in tight quarters as you would with a wide front. Just got through packing a bunker silo with my old 4010 and loader. It is easier to back up and still get away from the wall if you don"t have the wide front axle sticking out.

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