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OGGIE

08-29-2004 17:24:33




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The billhooks on my 24T baler seem to need a light spring to hold the hook up when it is not on the cam that opens it to keep it from hitting the tensioner bar.Does anyone know if they are supposed to have a spring in them or is something else wrong? And if so where can I get them,the JD dealer in my area doesn't even know what color a JD baler is.




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Jim in michigan

09-04-2004 19:25:53




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 Re: 24T baler parts in reply to OGGIE, 08-29-2004 17:24:33  
IF 14T parts will work I have a 14T parts machine I would sell, only thing missing is the needles and the bale length bar,,Jim



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OGGIE

09-05-2004 05:26:32




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 Re: 24T baler parts in reply to Jim in michigan, 09-04-2004 19:25:53  
Thanks Jim but all the parts are not quite compatible I don't think and I want to buy new billhooks and a few more things. I already have
used parts and that seems to be the problem.



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RobN

08-29-2004 18:18:12




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 Re: 24T baler parts in reply to OGGIE, 08-29-2004 17:24:33  
I"m not certain what your question is asking and what you mean by "to hold the hook up" and the "tensioner bar". I"m only familiar with the 14T but I think the knotters are very similar. The bill hook should be closed except when the knotter is tripped to tie. There"s a 1/2" castle nut covering a small spring with a cotter pin thru the nut on the side of the knotter that adjusts the tension on the bill hook top jaw. The tension is set between 5 - 15 lbs. There is also a small spring for the knotter trip dog as well as two others for the hay dogs. I don"t know if this helps or not,|:(| - I hope so!

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OGGIE

08-29-2004 19:25:32




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 Re: 24T baler parts in reply to RobN, 08-29-2004 18:18:12  
Thanks Rob but no,there is a portion of the travel of the billhook when it is not held closed nor forced open.During this time it is just loose and gravity opens it then the end of the hook hits the bar the spring you mention holds tension on to close the billhook.this is only happening on one of them and I can't figure out why.



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JDMark

08-29-2004 19:44:38




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 Re: 24T baler parts in reply to OGGIE, 08-29-2004 19:25:32  
Oggie,
I just got through completly going through the knotters on my 24T after one of the cam gears broke into 4 pieces. I know exactly what you are talking about but there is not a spring for this. Exactly what are your symptoms? I got to know these knotters pretty well by the time they were working correctly.

Mark



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OGGIE

08-29-2004 20:05:13




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 Re: 24T baler parts in reply to JDMark, 08-29-2004 19:44:38  
Most of the time it ties but the billhook gear jumped time because the hook collided with the tension bar and locked the billhook up.What I need to know is, when the billhook is out of the knotter,does it spring closed when you pull it open.I saw a billhook out of an unknown machine and it did.



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RobN

08-29-2004 20:58:26




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 Re: 24T baler parts in reply to OGGIE, 08-29-2004 20:05:13  
OK, I think I know what you"re wondering now. The upper jaw is connected to and operated by the small wheel on the opposite side of the billhook. There"s no internal spring, it"s kept closed by the spring that pushes on what you described as the "tension bar". It"s called a pressure arm (JD # BP 1600 E [14T Part #]). You may have wear on either/or the pressure arm, the upper jaw billhook wheel or the pin that connects the upper jaw to the billhook. It was also mentioned in another post about the gear that turns the billhook that is attached to it by a rollpin (splitpin). Check it as well as the mating gear on the larger intermittent knotter gear for wear or breakage. HTH.|:)|

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JDMark

08-30-2004 05:20:10




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 Re: 24T baler parts in reply to RobN, 08-29-2004 20:58:26  
Oggie,
Also check that the entire knotter assembly is close enough to the the cam gear. Too far away can also let the gears jump time. Loosen up the nut that holds the knotter assembly in place, grab the knotter & see how much you can move it back & forth on the shaft. If there is too much play, you can move shims to the other side of the cotter pin & make it tighter.

Mark



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Oggie

08-30-2004 19:46:49




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 Re: 24T baler parts in reply to JDMark, 08-30-2004 05:20:10  
I appreciate the help and finally got the answer I wanted (the billhooks don't have springs) but
I still don't know what my problem is.I have a book and have adjusted everything top to bottom exactly as it is supposed to be.
If anyone knows a good place to order parts please let me know.
Thanks



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JDMark

08-31-2004 05:38:24




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 Re: 24T baler parts in reply to Oggie, 08-30-2004 19:46:49  
Oggie,
I was having knots hanging on the billhook. Everything was adjusted to specs, but I finally saw what was happening. There is a wire guide held by 2 bolts with about a 1/2" hook on the end of it. For the knot to be stripped off the billhook, the twine has to go around the end of this wire, to the other side. This is done by the tucker finger. I had to move the plate that the tucker finger is mounted to the rear.

Feed hay into the baler until it is almost ready to knot. Then stop the baler, trip the knotter by hand & watch what's happening while somebody else turns the flywheel for you.

Mark

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OGGIE

09-01-2004 18:19:16




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 Re: 24T baler parts in reply to JDMark, 08-31-2004 05:38:24  
I know what is happening I just can't get anyone to read my posts closely and tell me whats wrong and give me some idea where to get parts.



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