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2 or 4 row planter

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Matt Clark

08-26-2004 12:40:02




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I have several food plots which I've been planting since '98. I put in sunflowers, sorghum, corn (mostly) and some other stuff. This is for pheasants and deer.

Up til now, I've been sowing everything by hand or with a spreader, then dragging a disk lightly over everything. This worked well til last year and this, when I've had problems with getting corn to germinate...too deep or too shallow I spose. Each year, I've made them a bit bigger and now all told, they're probably about 4.5 or 5 acres. That's getting a bit much for seeding by hand and my germination problems are getting to me, so I'm considering buying an old planter.

I've got a 560 gas, and I'm asking for opinions on what to get for my work. I'm pretty handy, so I can make changes or repairs, but I really don't have the slightest idea where to start. Lived in the country all my life, but I don't claim to be a farmer. But the wife says I always look pretty happy bustin' up ground...

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Matt Clark

08-30-2004 05:34:34




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 Re: 2 or 4 row planter in reply to Matt Clark, 08-26-2004 12:40:02  
Thanks again for all the ideas. Really, I just need something to seed the corn (which is the heart of each plot) as I've got no problem with the hand crank spreader for the sorghum and such. I've only had the germination problem with corn, all else does well. The plots range from 60'x400' to 300' square. I normally plant the center in corn (this year mixed in indian and popcorn, as seed was free) and then surround it with a 20-30' foot of sorghum and such. One plot is about a third sunflowers, and the smaller birds (goldfinches and quail) go nuts over that starting now, and on into early winter.

Even though the corn hasn't done so well, by drag harrowing, there's usually enough sorghum, etc. scattered in amongst it that there's plenty of cover and food for all.

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Gerald J.

08-28-2004 20:37:38




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 Re: 2 or 4 row planter in reply to Matt Clark, 08-26-2004 12:40:02  
The finger, air, and plate planters won't accept a mix of seeds well. Millet and other small seeds won't be metered.

To do a mix you need a grain drill which meters on volume instead of by the individual seed. A JD plateless 7000 in a 4 row with soybean seed cups should work well.

Otherwise a strong right arm with a bucket to carry the supplies followed by a spike tooth harrow will get the seed in the ground. Maybe an end gate seeder...

Gerald J.

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FarmallRedM

08-27-2004 01:41:51




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 Re: 2 or 4 row planter in reply to Matt Clark, 08-26-2004 12:40:02  
Look at WWW.covingtonplanter.com. We have one of these planters. The nice thing about this planter, is that you can remove the planters and the frame becomes your cultavator.

My dad planted our last crop with this planter in 1982. I went into the Army and dad quit farming. We still use the frame. I used it this summer to keep plow the middels of a watermelon patch with a M farmall that i just bought.

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Matt Clark

08-27-2004 06:17:08




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 Re: 2 or 4 row planter in reply to FarmallRedM, 08-27-2004 01:41:51  
Thanks, I'll check them out.

Matt Clark



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big jt

08-26-2004 23:17:15




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 Re: 2 or 4 row planter in reply to Matt Clark, 08-26-2004 12:40:02  
I wouldn't worry about the maintenance issues on a old Air planter. Won't be worse or better than a plate type. Don't need to worry about seed size/plate size either. They work real nice for small quanities of seed. Will plant down to where there is only about a cup of seed left. I would actually suggest a 4 or 6 row 400 series cyclo.

I would lean away from the finger pickup for your use however. Maintenance is a real issue with these. The mounted cyclos won't work well for your use either.

Here in NW Iowa you will be bidding against the scrap buyers for the small cyclos as well as any plate type.

What are you using for seed. Did you plant purchased hibred seed 3 years ago and have been planting grain harvested from those crops the last two years? If this is the case that would explain why you are getting such a poor crop. If you want to keep your own seed you will need to use open pollenated seed. Also if you are planting corn on corn you will need to put on a fair bit of extra nitrogen.

HTH

JT

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Matt Clark

08-27-2004 06:19:42




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 Re: 2 or 4 row planter in reply to big jt, 08-26-2004 23:17:15  
No JT...I'm planting hybrid from Pheasants Forever. Good seed, they just get either broken bags or leftovers from demo plots. Free to me, so cost isn't an issue. I just seem to get only about 10% germination, which is quite a waste. On the other hand, the sorghum does well, and the birds love whatever I plant. You outta see the doves and goldfinches move in when the sunflowers mature...hundreds at a hit.

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big jt

08-27-2004 08:50:00




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 Re: 2 or 4 row planter in reply to Matt Clark, 08-27-2004 06:19:42  
Just offering suggestions on the seed and fertilizer.

The thing I liked about planting down to virtually no seed was that I didn't have any to hold over or dispose of. The treatments can be nasty and the seed can't be put in with grain to sell because of them.

All that said I have owned a 500 cyclo and am currently using a 7000 Deere. Don't like the maintenance on the Deere but getting the seed placed right is important to yield and I am in the farming thing to make a living.

HTH and have fun.

JT

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Matt Clark

08-27-2004 08:55:55




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 Re: 2 or 4 row planter in reply to big jt, 08-27-2004 08:50:00  
JT: sometimes I feel like farming is what I was meant to do...but patience is not my strong suit. Even though (around here, anyway) the growing season has been just about perfect since mid-June, most years, I'd probably have a stroke worrying about all the stuff I can't control...i.e., weather, bugs/critters, market prices. Guess I better stay doing what I do for a living and just plant stuff for the birds and deer...

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chuck

08-26-2004 19:23:42




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 Re: 2 or 4 row planter in reply to Matt Clark, 08-26-2004 12:40:02  
try and find a 4 row--I have bought several for less than $50. one im still using has fiberglass boxes and came with 15 sets of plates-you could even cutthe outside rows off. mine is a trail type but a mounted one would even be easier to modify--if you buy a 2 row planter--in mid missouri--the prices start about $250. mine that im currently using is a IH 56. great planter. i have also used JD 70 and 71--they are indiidual boxes and around here bring 75=100 each--but you mount them to a tool bar and hae tremendous variablity in row spacing etc. good luck

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bryan

08-26-2004 13:29:52




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 Re: 2 or 4 row planter in reply to Matt Clark, 08-26-2004 12:40:02  
We did the same thing ,till this year . Got an old 494a JD planter donated by guy that wanted to come up and shoot a turkey once ! Great trade ! Needed few things here and there , drive chains, corn plates, bean plates etc. Works great , small plots scattered around place we have. Sure beats spreading by hand .



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Matt Clark

08-26-2004 13:32:02




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 Re: 2 or 4 row planter in reply to bryan , 08-26-2004 13:29:52  
bryan:

Sounds like exactly what I need. Guess I was looking for this kind of info., model #'s, etc. so I could start asking around and maybe find one to work over during the winter months.

Any other suggestions fellas?



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ed1

08-26-2004 19:35:29




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 Re: 2 or 4 row planter in reply to Matt Clark, 08-26-2004 13:32:02  
Go for the 4 row model. I like the IH 56 better but both the IH-56 & JD-494a are great plate type planters. Only down side is you'll have to get sized seed to match the plates. If you need different plates plastic ones are still available from ">Link

You'll find that you cant beat the price for one of these old guy's.


If you have some $$$$ you might want to get a newer JD finger planter to get away from the seed size issue.

I'd stay away from the air planters for the amount your planting. They require more adjustment and maintance.

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