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Chas in Me

08-25-2004 18:25:03

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Well, the binder was delivered last week. I started working with it by getting it down off its transport wheels. That was exciting, because I set it up on a 6x6 before I took off the wheels. Then I had this scary feeling the thing would come down of that block and run the cutting bar into the ground. But after I got it all put together, I put the tractor in gear, closed my eyes and moved forward. It didn"t collapse on the ground and I started breathing again.
Then I took it to the field and started it up. It ran fine and much more quietly than I thought it would. It had a hard time cutting because the grain was wet. I also had neglected to put both metal straps on the lower canvas, so the grain was bunching up all crosswise at the knotter and was keeping that from working, or so I thought. One of the metal straps needed some work, so I got that taken care of. Then I said to myself, give it your best shot. It cost $500 and I figured if it wasn"t going to work, I could part it out.
I made one trip down the field. At first, the knotter didn"t work, but I just kept going. I fugured I could rake up the loose piles of grain coming off the machine and compost them.
Then the knotter started working. It was kicking out big sheaves just like it was supposed to. I got to the end of the first trip, and it stopped working. One of the straps holding the lower canvas together broke. They are rotted pretty badly so I really wasn"t surprised.
It doesn"t look like a serious problem. My wife looked at it and she said she could do the sewing. I will need to re-rivet it back to the wood staves that go across the width of the canvas. Then all I have to do is wait for the next strap to break.
Anyway, I have six sheaves of grain lying by the door to my wife"s shop. Maybe I can get 2 or 3 bucks each from someone who wants decorate their front yard.
Life is fun sometimes. Thanks to all answerd my questions.
Charles

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big jt

08-26-2004 23:58:08

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Re: Binder Update in reply to Chas in Me, 08-25-2004 18:25:03

Don't think I saw your original post. What did you get for a binder? McD, JD or other, PTO or ground drive?

I have owned and operated a McD and JD both PTOs for the local threshing show for about 15 years. I personally prefer to run the IH. I think it makes nicer bundles however I can't get them as small as I would like. Another problem is the ground has been in oats continusly for 30 years and the stems are small. Makes for down crop and hard to get enough packed in to trip the knotter.

As for untrucking I much prefer to do that job alone. Use floor jack and stands, keep one of the hitches hooked to a tractor to keep it from shifting, and be careful.

When I do canvas repair I use Tehr Grease (tear mender). Don't spend much effort on rotten canvas. They can be bought from the Amish to cheap. I order mine from a Amishman in the Hazelton, IA area. I think he gets from somebody in OH. If you are using a PTO machine take your old canvas with you to measure as the dimensions are different from the ground drives. Also if it is a PTO make sure to tell them to put the webbing in the full length of the canvas or you will just get straps in the ends.

HTH

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Chas in Me

08-27-2004 15:05:04

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Re: Binder Update in reply to big jt, 08-26-2004 23:58:08

I have an International Harvester with McCormick written on the canvas curtain in back of the flat canvas. I just completed about an acre and a half. Got good sheaves and now i have to stook them or stack them.
Where do you place the jack stands when you change wheels.
I found a company in Canada that will build the canvas for about 60$ Can.
We talked about putting grommets in and lacing it.
Thanks for the info.
Chas in Me

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big jt

08-29-2004 23:09:14

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Re: Binder Update in reply to Chas in Me, 08-27-2004 15:05:04

Chas

If the canvas that you are talking about is the Wind board I wouldn't even mess with fixing it unless you are restoring the machine. I have run binders with and without and can't tell the difference.

If you are restoring the originals (on IH) were held on with staples. No lacing or grommets. They also wouldn't be coated just plain fabric.

If you are talking about the platform canvas (the one that caries the grain) you are getting a screaming deal. Last new platform I bought was a little over $100 US and I was pleased as punch with the price.

As to jacking first of all don't even mess with a bottle jack. Should be able to find some braces in the freme work to jack against. The frame around the sickle is usually solid enough also.

HTH

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big jt

08-29-2004 23:08:50

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Re: Binder Update in reply to Chas in Me, 08-27-2004 15:05:04

Chas

If the canvas that you are talking about is the Wind board I wouldn't even mess with fixing it unless you are restoring the machine. I have run binders with and without and can't tell the difference.

If you are restoring the originals (on IH) were held on with staples. No lacing or grommets. They also wouldn't be coated just plain fabric.

As to jacking first of all don't even mess with a bottle jack. Should be able to find some braces in the freme work to jack against. The frame around the sickle is usually solid enough also.

HTH

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big jt

08-29-2004 23:05:46

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Re: Binder Update in reply to Chas in Me, 08-27-2004 15:05:04

Chas

If the canvas that you are talking about is the Wind board I wouldn't even mess with fixing it unless you are restoring the machine. I have run binders with and without and can't tell the difference.

If you are restoring the originals (on IH) were held on with staples. No lacing or grommets. They also wouldn't be coated just plain fabric.

As to jacking first of all don't even mess with a bottle jack. Should be able to find some braces in the freme work to jack against. The frame around the sickle is usually solid enough also.

HTH

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justplainjim

08-28-2004 18:50:39

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Re: Binder Update in reply to Chas in Me, 08-27-2004 15:05:04

Chas, that 'canvas curtain' you refer to is what we called a 'wind board'.

Happy to hear your binder works well. Keep it greased and oiled and under cover.
cheers,

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Chas in Me

08-27-2004 15:04:08

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Re: Binder Update in reply to big jt, 08-26-2004 23:58:08

I have an International Harvester with McCormick written on the canvas cuttain in back of the flat canvas. I just completed about an acre and a half. Got good sheaves and now i have to stook them or stack them.
Where do you place the jack stands when you change wheels.
I found a company in Canada that will build the canvas for about 60$ Can.
We talked about putting grommets in amd lacing it.
Thanks for the info.
Chas in Me

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willyz

08-29-2004 05:58:40

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Re: Binder Update in reply to Chas in Me, 08-27-2004 15:04:08

How about some contact info on the canvas suppliers?

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