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Hilltopper

08-12-2004 12:50:23




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I seeded about 4 acres of orchard grass and Alfalfa last fall. I am planning to seed about 6 more this fall.I am going to spray roundup in mid September to get rid of fescue clumps which the cows will not eat and then plow the field. I used Vernal alfalfa seed last year. I wondered if some of you have a different variety you like for pasture.I plan to seed it with Orchard grass. I live in Southern Illinois. I am planning on seeding innoculated seed to store Nitrogen to help offset the high N prices.

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Hilltopper

08-13-2004 07:40:06




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 Re: seeding pasture ? in reply to Hilltopper, 08-12-2004 12:50:23  
Thanks to all for your response. I know very little about alfafa for pasture. I was hoping some one could steer me to a better variety for pasture mix with Orchard grass. Is the bloat problem as bad in a mix? I have had no problems so far. This grazing variety sounds good.



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paul

08-13-2004 08:40:24




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 Re: seeding pasture ? in reply to Hilltopper, 08-13-2004 07:40:06  
Most cattle actually prefer grass to graze on. If you have 40% alfalfa and clover, 60% grass, that is generally considered ok. But, some critters are more prone to it. It will get you eventually. However, the benifit of yield & N fixing from these legumes outweighs losing a few % of your animals to bloat. It does take some thought & care tho if you have a lot of alfalfa in your pasture.

--->Paul

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RickL

08-12-2004 16:02:23




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 Re: seeding pasture ? in reply to Hilltopper, 08-12-2004 12:50:23  
I use American brand alfalfa. 401,403,alfalfa graze etc. I real good luck with all of them,won't even compared the vernal to it. Let me know if I could help,as I am a dealer for them. aLSO handle all of Merschman Seeds products. Rick I am located in southeast iowa



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kyhayman

08-12-2004 14:30:33




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 Re: seeding pasture ? in reply to Hilltopper, 08-12-2004 12:50:23  
Personal choice here but I wouldnt have used Vernal at all. While it is very inexpensive it lacks both a deep disease profile and is not a sunken crown grazing type. I've tried several of the grazing types WL's flavor, Alfagraze, ABI 501, and last year a coated variety from some company out of Indiana. So far the Alfagraze has far exceeeded any of the others in performance for both haying and grazing in yield, ease of establishment, and longivity. RFV for haying has also been significantly higher in the first year. The phytopthera and aphanomycees resistence is not as good on Alfagraze as some of the others but has appeared to be adequate. Latitude wise, I am within 10 miles of I-64.

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paul

08-12-2004 14:18:59




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 Re: seeding pasture ? in reply to Hilltopper, 08-12-2004 12:50:23  
The included link happens to be a seed house that is near me & specializes in not so common seeds. They offer several grazing type alfalfas. These do not grow quite as fast but the crown stays lower in the ground so they do not get as damaged by grazing.

Also, they have alfalfa types that seed themselves with runners. Again, less rapid growth, but keep growing a while in a pasture enviornment.

Some alfalfa"s like Wrangler hold up a lot better in a wet enviornment, which often describes a pasture around "here".

Have you looked into Bird"s foot trefoil? It is a legume (fixes N) but does not cause bloat. It does not hay very well, but is great for grazing in a pasture mix. I"m sure you know the dangers of grazing alfalfa...

Having said all that, I have a 2 acre patch that I seeded left over alfalfa seed in over 10 years ago. I park my machinery there. Put a wire around it & graze it to the ground several times a year.

Can"t kill it. It must like getting to seed stage every once in a while, then not harmed by the excessive grazing at other times.

So, what you pick will depend upon your management style.

I"m sure you can find something close to your climate that offers similar products for you.

--->Paul

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