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Hay Conditioner Sickle Bar

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txblu

08-11-2004 06:40:57




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Just put new sections and some guides on my NH Haybine 489 recently. Have only cut 20 acres of clean young sudan. Noticed that one section had already lost a rivet and the other was loose and two other sections were loose. Hit no sunflowers, bushes or anything like that. Did high center on dirt a couple of times but not too bad.

Installed them tight with the proper tool.

Just curious how often you buy a new bar or completely redo your existing one.

Thanks,

Mark

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Leland

08-12-2004 22:54:46




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 Re: Hay Conditioner Sickle Bar in reply to txblu, 08-11-2004 06:40:57  
Sounds strange to me we used a 9 ft deere haybine and seldom lost a section mowed every thing hay and used to mow pastures with also. Never done any thing special just pounded rivets till they were almost flat they never came loose.



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paul

08-11-2004 08:20:06




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 Re: Hay Conditioner Sickle Bar in reply to txblu, 08-11-2004 06:40:57  
Years don't matter, number of acres do.

For me the proper tool is a big hammer & an axle shaft on the bottom side, I do my repairs on the machine, just take a guard off.

It could be your tool didn't 'expand' the rivot enough. They need to expand to fill out the full hole, not just be peened over on the ends.

The driver head part can be difficult, you are making a sandwich with the sickle, head, & backbone, difficult to get the 3 parts clamped _very_ tight to smash the rivot down right.

I'm rapidly moving to bolted sections, much easier to deal with.

--->Paul

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txblu

08-11-2004 09:33:22




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 Re: Hay Conditioner Sickle Bar in reply to paul, 08-11-2004 08:20:06  
me too thanks



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paul

08-11-2004 13:29:24




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 Re: Hay Conditioner Sickle Bar in reply to txblu, 08-11-2004 09:33:22  
I take it you are hammering down the rivots as well. Be sure the bottom of the rivot is _very_ well supported & kept up real tight. The rivot needs to both clamp all parts together, and fill the hole.

--->Paul



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txblu

08-12-2004 06:20:56




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 Re: Hay Conditioner Sickle Bar in reply to paul, 08-11-2004 13:29:24  
Paul,

Tell you how serious I was to do that, I greased the threads on this $50 rivet installation tool and instead of using a 3/4 boxed end wrench, I took my impact tool and socket and that is how hard I smashed them. But since rebuilding that bar I stumbled upon the rivets (discussed this am) and never again back to rivets.

Thanks,

Mark



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txblu

08-11-2004 09:34:13




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 Re: Hay Conditioner Sickle Bar in reply to txblu, 08-11-2004 09:33:22  
This site was working real fine earlier this morning. Now look at this!



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txblu

08-11-2004 09:33:09




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 Re: Hay Conditioner Sickle Bar in reply to paul, 08-11-2004 08:20:06  
me too thanks



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txblu

08-11-2004 09:33:02




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 Re: Hay Conditioner Sickle Bar in reply to paul, 08-11-2004 08:20:06  
me too thanks



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Hayfarmer

08-11-2004 07:33:39




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 Re: Hay Conditioner Sickle Bar in reply to txblu, 08-11-2004 06:40:57  
I'm not sure there is a time limit. I think sometimes the rivit holes get loose and won't hold tight. Running into same thing with my sicklebar mower on the head section. I have gone to using bolts, not sure if that is better or not on this issue but easier to replace. I usually break the head section before that becomes a problem.



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txblu

08-11-2004 09:32:12




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 Re: Hay Conditioner Sickle Bar in reply to Hayfarmer, 08-11-2004 07:33:39  
think I'm gonna like the bolts

thanks



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Hay Dr

08-11-2004 06:51:17




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 Re: Hay Conditioner Sickle Bar in reply to txblu, 08-11-2004 06:40:57  
Never, We quit using sicklebars in 1982. We use disc and drum mowers now.



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txblu

08-11-2004 09:31:13




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 Re: Hay Conditioner Sickle Bar in reply to Hay Dr, 08-11-2004 06:51:17  
thanks



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Ken Macfarlane

08-11-2004 06:47:56




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 Re: Hay Conditioner Sickle Bar in reply to txblu, 08-11-2004 06:40:57  
The 489 we use has bolted sections but we lost the outermost guard and knife this year. I wasn't driving but it broke the bar off the ball joint too.

There are 2 spare bars in the previous owners shop and the 489 is about 20 years old at least so maybe every 10 years?
Ken



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txblu

08-11-2004 09:29:57




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 Re: Hay Conditioner Sickle Bar in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 08-11-2004 06:47:56  
thanks



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