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Micheal

08-06-2004 21:55:37




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Hi All,
I am thinking about moving to a pitmanless mower next year. I have heard horror stories about spending very much money on repairing the wobble box on used mowers. How durable are these things, like the NH 456, or a JD or IH 1100? What would i want to watch for on one of these, buying it used? I know all about pitman mowers, but have never used a pitmanless before. Also, will a 9 ft bar take a lot of extra horsepower to pull over my 7 ft bars? I mow with a WD Allis and would like to know if i will be underpowered on a 9 ft bar.
thanks for all your help.
micheal

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farmer mike

08-09-2004 10:13:44




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 Re: Pitmanless Mowers in reply to Micheal, 08-06-2004 21:55:37  
Mike: If I were you, and your WD is still a snap coupler hitch, I'd highly recommend getting an AC 80R snap coupler mower. I have a WD & used this mower for 25 years. Very good design and a nice break back mechanism. Also, if you get one, I'd put on a new set of New Holland Haybine double guards & New Holland hold down clips. Use the bolts for the sections rather than rivettes. You can get the 3 different lengths needed for the AC knife. You can no doubt get one of these mowers for #250-$500. Check the "Unofficial Allis" site & the implement section of this "Yesterdays Tractors". Mike

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R. John Johnson

08-07-2004 23:04:58




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 Re: Pitmanless Mowers in reply to Micheal, 08-06-2004 21:55:37  
I would not be afraid of a IH 1100 mower. This farm has run IH pitmanless mowers since the early 1970's. They can cut a lot of hay in a day.

If you are worried about the wobble box, there are two areas to check. First is the bearing behind the pulley. Loosen the drive belt and see if there is any play. The second is the lower bearing. Remove the pin from the knife head. See if there is any up and down free play in the arm that drives the pin.

One other area to check is the bar itself. The design is such that there is a weak spot where the bar meets up with the wobble box. If it is cracked it is only a matter of time till the bar snaps off, destroying the knife in the process. Last check a bar was over $1000 canadian. Our local Rowse dealer(Rowse bought the design to this mower and has corrected some of the design problems) says customers that installed Rowse inner shoes have never broken any bars. If you have a wobble box go bad call, Leo in Aberdeen South Dakota (605) 225 8069. He is a Rowse dealer and has a large business rebuilding wobble boxes. He carries all parts in stock and if he knows your box is coming he can usually turn it around in under a day. He used to(and still might) charge a flat fee for labour and whatever parts were needed, and I thought his flat fee was very reasonable. He rebuilt a box for me several years back and it is still going strong.

We pull our mowers with JD 510 tractors. 3 cylinder diesel, 152 cu. in. and about 40 Hp. They are adequate. I don't know how these compare HP wise to your Allis.

If you buy a pitmanless you will not be sorry. Good luck!

John

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Nathan (SD)

08-09-2004 08:46:53




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 Re: Pitmanless Mowers in reply to R. John Johnson, 08-07-2004 23:04:58  
The Rowse inner shoe is about 2 inches wider where the bar gets piched between the shoe and the head. You can weld 2 inches on to a IH shoe and save the $160. You have to use nickel welding rod on the cast shoe. The very first mowers had steel shoes, no bottom bearing grease zerk, and a 7/16 bolt to squeeze the sickle pin. I believe these mowers hit the market in about 1957. I is a design that still cant be beat almost 50 years later.

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Micheal

08-08-2004 20:48:55




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 Re: Pitmanless Mowers in reply to R. John Johnson, 08-07-2004 23:04:58  
thanks for all the info John. That is great. With all the posts here and the info, i feel better about the pitmanless mowers. I am going to search for a pitmanless 9' this fall and winter for next year. thanks very much.
take care.
Micheal



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JMS/MN

08-06-2004 22:38:42




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 Re: Pitmanless Mowers in reply to Micheal, 08-06-2004 21:55:37  
WD power is not an issue. Kosch Mfg used to make a nine foot mower for that tractor- 1950s, 60s.



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Micheal

08-07-2004 20:24:56




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 Re: Pitmanless Mowers in reply to JMS/MN, 08-06-2004 22:38:42  
Oh wow! I didn't know that was a Kosch. One was just on Ebay for $250. I s'pose it is gone now. thanks for the info.
micheal



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