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Does anyone still use an engine driven baler?

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John in CT.

08-05-2004 17:41:47




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Does anyone still bale hay with an engine driven baler and how does it work? I was wondering, do any of the main line farm equipment manafacturers (JD, NH, Case IH,etc.)still offer a new baler with an engine option?




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Richard K. Muntz

09-12-2004 07:49:21




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to John in CT., 08-05-2004 17:41:47  
I am in northern Indiana in the middle of Amish country. There are shops here that will mount an engine on a baler, haybine, two row cornpicker, or anything else. The Wisconsin engines have given way to hondas around here. I am the only "English" farmer around here, so engine driven balers are the rule, not the exception. If you want one, find an Amish area, and you will certainly find a repair shop that will fix you up.

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Stan

08-08-2004 06:15:11




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to John in CT., 08-05-2004 17:41:47  
We use a MF #12 with a wisconsin twin on it because all three of our tractors added up would about have enough PTO power to run a more modern baler. The baler works great (do have to replace the badly cracking gearbox this winter though), but the Wisconsin engine is a pain in the tail. I haven't gotten it going to start a season yet without pulling the head on it. Hopefully, with some suggestions from the gang on here, I'll just be able to put in gas and fresh oil and go next season.
Stan

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Mike (WA)

08-06-2004 13:11:01




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to John in CT., 08-05-2004 17:41:47  
Most of the guys in eastern Washington and Oregon growing alfalfa for the dairy industry and timothy for horses and Japanese export use engine balers- usually Freeman balers, or NH. Usually 3 string, making about 130 lb. bales to be picked up with stackliners. Many use Deutz diesel engines (air cooled). Most use their 4 x 4 pickup trucks in low range to pull them- all the comforts of home. Most of the baling is done at night, with some dew on it to minimize leaf loss.

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Bkeepr

08-06-2004 09:01:47




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to John in CT., 08-05-2004 17:41:47  
I bought an old NH 66 with a 2 cylinder Wisconsin on it several years ago. My only tractor is a 48 Ford 8N, and this lets me power the baler without taking any excess power from the tractor. Took me a week of tinkering to get the engine running well, but it is great. Starts on the first pull, always, and has power to spare.

Tom A



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Dave H (MI)

08-06-2004 06:47:35




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to John in CT., 08-05-2004 17:41:47  
There has been a lot of this on RFD lately about horse drawn modern equipment with a forecart in between that has an engine and hydraulics. The horses seem to pretty much just pull the load.
Frankly, I watched it and do not understand it.
Why not have the engine drive the forecart too?
No wait! That would be a tractor wouldn't it?
I have also heard that out west the engine driven machines are more common. I've seen a few here in Michigan and think there is one at an upcoming sale.

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chuck

08-07-2004 21:01:39




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to Dave H (MI), 08-06-2004 06:47:35  
tell me about RFD. im not familiar with the site-you mentioned horse drawn eguipment. thanks for any info you can give me



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Joel Harman

08-06-2004 12:16:41




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to Dave H (MI), 08-06-2004 06:47:35  
have you ever farmed with horses? Might change your opinion



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Dave H (MI)

08-07-2004 06:04:50




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to Joel Harman, 08-06-2004 12:16:41  
Uh oh....hope I didn't hit a nerve! Nope....I have never farmed with horses but I would truly like to give it a try with horse drawn implements.
The thing I did not understand is having a cart that does everything EXCEPT propel itself. I have ridden horses since I was a child and some of my best times have been in the company of a horse, so don't get the wrong idea, OK? On an aside, I saw that program again on RFD last night.
They had, I believe, SIXTEEN horses pulling a modern disk. I don't think that it is about farming with horses at that level. Still fun to watch.

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Joel Harman

08-07-2004 06:59:59




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to Dave H (MI), 08-07-2004 06:04:50  
No sir, you did not.

It is religious thing with Amish sects.

I do not use engine on my forecart. too noisy.

I prolly can't cover as much ground as you do but did just finish up 100 ac of hay. used tractor to bale & did rake with tractor when horses had already cut 6 hr that day.
I had 2 mowers going alot.



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STan

08-08-2004 06:03:11




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to Joel Harman, 08-07-2004 06:59:59  
Sorry to jump in the middle of your post here, but we used an old David Bradley mower until 5 years ago pulled behind our Case VAO. Didn't even know it was originally horse drawn until it wasn't cutting worth a hoot (I'd just returned to the place after 20 years elsewhere and it hadn't been used in the interim). Finally, my father drove about a mile up the road and bought an old guy he had logged with down to take a look at it. Warner looked at it awhile and talked about timing and indexing and all kinds of mysterious things until he finally said how pleasant it was to mow with behind a pair of horses. It was then I realized he wasn't talking in generalities, but about our specific mower. Turned out he had been a hand on the dairy farm down the road when they bought it brand new from Sears. Well, after checking several of his suggestions and seeing all was in order, I tried going at a more leasurely pace (about horse speed) and the darn thing cut like a champ. I had been pushing it too fast I guess. We cut with it that year, but got a "new" JD that runs off a PTO the next year. Sped things up, but a little lonilier without my daughter riding behind as mower operator/ballast.

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Dave H (MI)

08-07-2004 14:26:00




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to Joel Harman, 08-07-2004 06:59:59  
Good...I'm glad. I didn't intend to offend anyone. I like the rumble of my tractor as it works but I have imagined that a good team and a well tuned implement (preferably one with a seat!)
might be a fine way to work a field on a good day.
I really enjoy a good horse but its getting to the point where I'd rather not get up on one. I might have to try sitting behind one someday!



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INCase

08-06-2004 06:13:37




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to John in CT., 08-05-2004 17:41:47  
ya the Amish do alot. Even modern (newer) equipment with more modern engines. I"ve even seen them with self power round balers, MoCo"s tedders and corn pickers. Some have a sulky "pto" power units as mentioned here and some put and engine on each piece. I think they maybe even put Hydraulics on some too



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Ted

08-06-2004 05:01:22




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to John in CT., 08-05-2004 17:41:47  
It is all I have. NH 77 with V4 Wisconsin. It works very well. It is not a fast cycling machine like the modern types but it is reliable. I don't have live power so this works for me.



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1031D

08-05-2004 22:21:24




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to John in CT., 08-05-2004 17:41:47  
I still use a 14T I bought about 15 years ago. Works good even with the original belt, just needs some dressing every now and then. I also have a NH Super 77 with a V4, wouldn"t trade it for a new one, both never miss a beat.



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RayP(MI)

08-05-2004 19:12:48




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to John in CT., 08-05-2004 17:41:47  
Saw a neat setup on an Amish farm the other day. they had a trailer mounted engine attached to the front of a 14T. Both the engine and the baler were on steel wheels. Assume they hooked the horses to the trailer, and then the trailer pulled the baler. Bet that was a project to keep on the windrow!



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paul

08-06-2004 13:31:41




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to RayP(MI), 08-05-2004 19:12:48  
Think about training the horses to go with all that movement, dust, & noise behind them...

--->Paul



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JMS/MN

08-06-2004 19:29:54




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to paul, 08-06-2004 13:31:41  
Just picked up an auction poster today for an Amish sale around Wadena- second one this year. All machinery is on steel wheels, and they have engine units, towed by horses, to power this equipment. Mrs. and I do not understand the concept of opposing the use of tractors, while having towed engines to operate balers, etc. Today's listing included an M Farmall with rubber bolted to the steel wheels 'for road travel'.

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Bernie in MA

08-05-2004 18:13:42




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to John in CT., 08-05-2004 17:41:47  
I've been using engine-driven balers for the last 33 years. First a JD 14T and now a 24T. When I mowed with a 6' sickle mower things went good. When I got an 8' mo-co I had trouble with with the bigger windrows, more so as the Wis 2-cyl became more tired. Last year I mounted another 2-cyl above the plunger chamber, using a double v-belt from each engine going to the same original flywheel. It works great. No more tractor creeping and stalling the baler engine.

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Dick Davis

08-10-2004 04:02:47




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to Bernie in MA, 08-05-2004 18:13:42  
I use a Model 80 New Holland. It is the wire tie version of the Model 77. I run a Wisconsin VP4D - 4 cylinder 32 HP that starts well with engine starting fluid. Could use a new rotor cap - no longer available from Wisconsin parts people or NAPA. My nickel Dick Davis



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jwagsfarm

09-10-2004 19:59:13




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 Re: Does anyone still use an engine driven baler? in reply to Dick Davis, 08-10-2004 04:02:47  
I use a 77 every year with the Wisconsin V4, hand starts well. Yours might start better if you pressurize the gas tank with your mouth to blow gas into the fuel pump and carburator. Use the hand fuel primer pump to make sure the carb is full and your engine should start on second or third pull if mag and carb are good. An older engine man told me to make sure there were at least 2 to 3 gaskets between the carb and the manifold so that the engine starts easlily even when hot (prevents vapor lock in the carb).

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