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JimmyC

08-04-2004 20:23:23

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I have a 5-ton low profile dump trailer I use to
haul horse manure to my farm. I put higher wooden
sides on to increase capacity. I have no problems
with the first 2 loads which are lighter, but the
loads after start to get heavier as the material
is more composted or wetter. I end up having to
get out the shovel to lighten the load before it
can dump. That stinks more ways then one. I know
to put less in the trailer, but sometimes I only
fill halfway and still get caught as well as feel
like I'm wasting all that space. The trailer has
a single 4" cyl. If I add another matching cyl.
and change nothing else will it solve my problem?
Is there something else I should look at like the
pump unit? Thanks.

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Leland

08-05-2004 21:11:17

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Re: Dump Trailer in reply to JimmyC, 08-04-2004 20:23:23

Jimmy if you have any sence you would sell the trailer while its still usable and buy a single axle dump truck

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JimmyC

08-05-2004 14:31:57

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Re: Dump Trailer in reply to JimmyC, 08-04-2004 20:23:23

Thanks for all the tips and ideas. I am towing
with a 1-ton truck on secondary roads about 5 mile
one way. I'm not looking to overload truck or
trailer, just trying not to have to shovel instead
of dump. Horse manure shouldn't b very heavy since
it's mostly shavings. The trailer is new and I
thought 4 to 5 tons should be no problem with this
material. The battery is fully charged and the
heavier trailers seem to use 2 cyls. so that's
why I was wondering about adding the second cyl.
Thanks to all.

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kyhayman

08-05-2004 14:09:28

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Re: Dump Trailer in reply to JimmyC, 08-04-2004 20:23:23

I had the same problem last winter hauling Class I sand from the quarry on a rental unit. Now I know I wasnt any heavier on the 4th load than on the first (weighed every load as I left the quarry) yet about load 3 or 4 it just wouldnt lift. First 2 days I just used a jack to get it started. Next 3 days I used a set of jumper cables (I've got a set of 40' cables I had made, long story) to give the battery a boost, soon as I hook the cables the pump battery on the trailer it dumped fine. Not sure if it was a weak battery or that the pump motor just drains one fast.

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Al Currier

08-05-2004 08:44:52

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Re: Dump Trailer in reply to JimmyC, 08-04-2004 20:23:23

Jim,
Please proceed with due caution! Overloading the trailer will only cause problems. Some advice was to load the heavier manure on the tail of the trailer. This will cause the trailer to whip when towed. You will experience first hand what it means to have the tail wag the dog! I've driven semi truck since 1970 and have seen many vehicles wrecked because the tail was heavier than the tongue. It is a far better thing to make an extra trip safetly than to try to salvage whats left of your truck and trailer after the insurance company disallows your claim. Also, I've had first hand experience with whipping and it is almost impossible to maintain control once it starts. Thanx for listening.

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Coloken

08-05-2004 12:41:55

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Re: Dump Trailer in reply to Al Currier, 08-05-2004 08:44:52

Like Paul's responce below..I did not mean to overload the rear. Common sence. Just don't place that last hunded pounds on the very front. Easyest solution is haul a smaller load and be happy.

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Coloken

08-05-2004 08:27:46

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Re: Dump Trailer in reply to JimmyC, 08-04-2004 20:23:23

Had the same problem with my farm wheat truck. If I got a litle too much on front end. Used a handy man jack to start it up.Try loading more on the back, less on front. All (most) hyd have a pressure limit valve. You might try upping the pressure a bit. If not adjustable, a thin washer behind the spring. Go carefull.

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J.C. IN AZ.

08-05-2004 07:47:56

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Re: Dump Trailer in reply to JimmyC, 08-04-2004 20:23:23

I get the feeling you are towing with a P.U. Truck. If so bear in mind the Towing ratings for your Truck and the Liability Factor of your insurer let alone the Laws of your State. A tractor is the right tow device and overloading the trailer with a Shade Tree repair to increase capacity, well I'll let you figure that one out. You asked for opinion,this is mine.Take it or leave it.

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sammy the RED

08-05-2004 00:15:04

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Re: Dump Trailer in reply to JimmyC, 08-04-2004 20:23:23

I have a friend that has the same problem with his cheap dump trailer.
He bolted on a 4x4 across the front of the trailer where the box sets down on to help with the lift.

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TimFL

08-04-2004 21:35:33

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Re: Dump Trailer in reply to JimmyC, 08-04-2004 20:23:23

If it is a five ton trailer how much does that wet manure weigh. If it weighs 5.5 tons then that is why it will not lift. The wooden sides are an indication that maybe you are exceeding the capacity just a little. Adding a cylinder will then likely serve to tear up the frame. Make sure the pump you are useing is up to specs and there is no problems with the cylinder bypassing internally or binding linkage. Could have an overload proection circuit in the hydraulics also.

My $.02

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paul

08-05-2004 00:05:59

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Re: Dump Trailer in reply to TimFL, 08-04-2004 21:35:33

I agree with Tim. Adding a 2nd cyl will just give you a bigger problem. Buying a new trailer is not fun, nor trying to straighten a twisted one.

A bit of a solution would be to load the heavy stuff on the back 1/2 of the trailer, and the lighter stuff on the front. While you will still be overloading your trailer, at least you will not be overloading the hydraulics/lift/hinge. One sin is at least a little better than commiting 2? :)

--->Paul

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James in NC

08-05-2004 05:11:26

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Re: Dump Trailer in reply to paul, 08-05-2004 00:05:59

Depending on how far you are pulling the trailer this could make it mean to pull with most of weight behind the axle. Just my thoughts.

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paul

08-05-2004 11:08:41

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Re: Dump Trailer in reply to James in NC, 08-05-2004 05:11:26

You & Al are right of course. I was not thinking of driving on a highway, for me manure is always a tractor & field road proposition.... ;)

I was also thinking of only making a slight weight shift, not making the rear heavier than the front, but I should have caught that & mentioned it. Had a field cultivator (with added harrow, making the rear much heavier than the front) moving my pickup rear back & forth once on a slight slope as I drove away from the auction with it, saw the whole cultivator first in the left, then the right, then the left mirror... Not something one forgets easily! Nor wants to repeat!

--->Paul

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