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Keeping hay bales green?

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Kelly C

08-03-2004 06:13:49




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I am wondering why the hay in my barn is turning brown.
I thought I got it baled and in the barn at the right time. No rain on them and were nice and green when stacked.
Did they get too dry before baling? In lighten me.




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msb

08-03-2004 19:09:44




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 Re: Keeping hay bales green? in reply to Kelly C, 08-03-2004 06:13:49  
When I was a kid, we put up a 3rd cutting of alfalfa a wee bit wet so we could get away on vacation.When we got back home the hay had carmelized(for lack of a better word).Dad was concerned the hay might be spoiled.Those old cows would literally fight over the stuff.Maybe after all these years, someone can explain what happened to that hay.It was dark brown clear through but smelled real sweet.Not a bit of mold in it.

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kyhayman

08-03-2004 21:19:37




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 Re: Keeping hay bales green? in reply to msb, 08-03-2004 19:09:44  
Here goes. It did carmalize. Heat resulting from bacteria and fungal growth (not all mold makes visable spores) give off heat if oxygen is present. Same process that if too wet can burn the barn. The heat and partial fermintation (sweet smell indicates an ethanol fermintation, aerobic, at typical moisture levels between 25 and 30%) Converts the plant sugars to carmalized sugar and damages protein. Hay is very palatable an little energy is lost but can severely cut protein availability. One reason most forage tests check for the amount of heat damaged protein as well as crude protein. Hard to manage for it to happen, just a tiny little more heat (or maybe enough heat and just a tiny little bit more dry hay) and you have a barn fire. I've had some silage do this a few times in round bale silage where it was a little dry and I was a little slow on getting it wrapped.

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Rick

08-03-2004 17:43:19




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 Re: Keeping hay bales green? in reply to Kelly C, 08-03-2004 06:13:49  
That is normal on the outside edges. When I do 3rd and 4th cuttings they usually don't change quite as much in color. Rick Just flip it over and you will see the color again



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kyhayman

08-03-2004 11:21:22




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 Re: Keeping hay bales green? in reply to Kelly C, 08-03-2004 06:13:49  
The short answer :'What JIMVA said'.

The long answer: Technically speaking there are 3 main processes that cause hay put in at proper moisture to discolor. 1. Sunlight causing a general denaturing of beta carotine and a general solar bleaching effect (radiational effect on the chlorophyll). 2. Evaporation of water, dew forms on the hay in the barn the same as outside, unless the barn allows for NO air exchange. It evaporates as the air temperature rises. Depth of bleaching is determined by amount of water and the number of evaporations that take place. 3. Oxidation, unless the barn is vac. sealed oxygen will form oxides with the chlorphyll compounds present on the surface and form complex magnessium oxides. Results are the same, outside of exposed bales turns brown. Reducing these 3 processes (middle of a stack) reduces the effect. Only time I can keep the outsides looking pretty is when I film wrap hay below 14% moisture (above 14% and below silage moisture water leaches to the surface and forms a slimey brown layer). Going to try spraying outsides with propionic acid to see what this does for film wrapped dry hay. Alos had some good silage last year that went in above 50% moisture, came out real pretty.

When I'm selling barn stored squares. I bring the customer in the barn, grab a bale and always flip it 'pretty' side up to show them. Say something to the effect 'of course the outside of the stacks will be bleached in a quarter inch or so'.

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JIMVA

08-03-2004 06:27:52




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 Re: Keeping hay bales green? in reply to Kelly C, 08-03-2004 06:13:49  
The hay is goin to turn brown on the outside bales because of the air. Now the inside of the bale will still be green and the all of the hay inside of the stack will still be green. Dont worry kelly this normal.

I have round bales that i put up in the barn that was a nice green color when baled the outside of the bale is a golden brown but less then an 1/4 of an inch in side the bale is still green.

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