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Baler stats (poll)

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Errin OH

07-29-2004 12:40:31




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Previous post on balers brings up a question I have been pondering. I have and use an "OLD" Ford 250 (I4-80). Nothing fancy, 2500 bales a year, 4-500 at a time. That's pretty much running all day (10/11am - 6/7pm). A sales brochure I have states up to 7 ton an hour. Sorry but no-way did that model ever run 7 ton in an hour with any kind of consistency (length/weight). I doubt you could pass 7 ton, not tying anything, without having to clear the pickup every ten feet. 7 ton (14,000lbs) would be 280 - 50lb bales. 280 bales in an hour, would be spitting out 4 a minute. Even with 80lb bales you would be doing in the 3 range. An't no way!

So, I was wondering what your "experience" on small squares with "some" consistency is (model / rate)? Any & all brands.

Ford 250 twine - 60+ ~50lb bales hour of alfafla, 45 bales with consistency, generally run in the 50 bales an hour range.

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TP from Central PA

07-30-2004 08:45:49




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 Re: Baler stats (poll) in reply to Errin OH, 07-29-2004 12:40:31  
Seems to me the only limit to what a baler can do is the baler itself..... ....We have had the neighbors NH 311 on our M-TA and can make just as much hay with that tractor as they can on their 756. Actually I think it works better on the M-TA because you can't really crowd it like they do and break bales.

We have had a NH 77 with a wisconsin, NH 269, and now a NH 275 and like I said we have used the neighbors 311 at times. Actually, I think all the machines could bale as the company claimed other than the 269 IMO. It seemed that machine wasn't up to capacity standards that NH claimed it was. Good baler, just slow going like the 77(Grin)..... .The 275 and 311's are hogs IMO.

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Craig M in NC

07-30-2004 07:36:34




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 Re: Baler stats (poll) in reply to Errin OH, 07-29-2004 12:40:31  
I hesitated to jump in on this but will relate a personal experience from years ago. My dad worked at a John Deere Dealer in the 50s and 60s. So he had serviced and demonstarted their balers. And he always said those demonstrations were won or lost in the shop prior to ever going to the field. Anyway it was in the early 80s when I watched him do this. We baled with a 14T baler and on two occasions I saw him bale 500 bales an hour. And he did not make loose or small bales. Anyway to do that several things had to be just right. First he would check the baler over every spring and adjust everything and make it as ready to go as he could. Then when you raked the hay you had to make a consistent windrow that was just the right size to keep the baler running at near capacity but not overloaded. And finally you had to be in a field that allowed you to bale continously. No short corners or terraces that had a lot of turning. I now use a JD 24T and have never quite been able to bale as fast as dad. Anyway just my experience from years ago.

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kyhayman

07-30-2004 07:02:56




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 Re: Baler stats (poll) in reply to Errin OH, 07-29-2004 12:40:31  
My typical results on a JD 336, dropping on the ground for pickup with a NH balewagon run somewhere in the 250 bales per hour in good timothy. Broke 300 once. I can go faster when I need to, really dont care to. If I have learned nothing else from my dad it was to slow down. Our terrain is pretty rolling and pretty rough. I might be 'able' to run more but if I miss seeing a piece of steel any time I saved will be spent fixing the baler. Last night I was baling a little alfalfa and low and behold found several pieces of roof ridge cap and some boards with nails in them scattered by the last wind storm.

Plus I dont like to get more than 300 ahead of the bale wagon. While I can load in 20 mins (1034) travel time and backing into long, deep barns eats up a lot of that. Best is about a round trip every 30-40 mins on most of my fields.

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Dale in IN

07-31-2004 19:52:50




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 Re: Baler stats (poll) in reply to kyhayman, 07-30-2004 07:02:56  
kyhayman:
what are you backing that 1034 with? I have a JD730 Diesel on mine and it is a bear to back. The 730 is way to fast in reverse to back with. It almost jumps out from under you when you just touch the clutch. I have considered an Oliver 1650 but haven't come up with one. Most tractors do not have heavy enough drawbar to handle that heavy tounge load.



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kyhayman

07-31-2004 20:05:08




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 Re: Baler stats (poll) in reply to Dale in IN, 07-31-2004 19:52:50  
Used a 1410 Case DB for several years. Now use a 7610 series II Ford, low profile version. Both did great, the 1410 had 4 reverse gears worked great but was pretty awkward. I really like the 7610, small, manuveable, plenty of power, got a creeper transmission below low range but rarely need it with the bale wagon.



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Hugh MacKay

07-30-2004 03:55:59




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 Re: Baler stats (poll) in reply to Errin OH, 07-29-2004 12:40:31  
Erin: I have read these responces and have a comment or two. Most of these guys are talking balers now 30 years old and then some. Back when these balers were new and using a 40 hp tractor with live pto, they would do as the manufacturer suggested.

Another item not done enough today is keeping the plunger adjusted to the shear and the plunger knife sharp. I use to sharpen the plunger knife daily on my NH S-69. Feeding mechanisms must be adjusted properly as well.

Speedway eluded to the fact that people find it amusing that he bales with a nice new Heston and a Farmall 300. If the baler (small squares) is working right 300 will bale as much hay per hour as any tractor. In my years of farming I only had one square baler, NH S-69 for 17 years. Over those 17 years I baled hay with several tractors; Farmalls 300, 504, 560D, 656D and a few loads with 130. Farmall 300 still holds the record on my farm for having baled the most hay in a day, small squares of course. I always baled on wagon with thrower, and in that situation haying has more to do with manpower than tractor horsepower. By the time I got the 560 and 656, having enough good manpower was becoming difficult. Thus a round baler entered the picture in 1975.

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Ken

07-30-2004 03:29:43




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 Re: Baler stats (poll) in reply to Errin OH, 07-29-2004 12:40:31  
Were using a MF224 that is supposed to do 10 ton / hr. We figured we had it up to 8 ton / hour the other night with tough hay. During the mid afternoon I'm sure it would do better!

Ken



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David in WY

07-29-2004 20:58:00




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 Re: Baler stats (poll) in reply to Errin OH, 07-29-2004 12:40:31  
We run 3 JD 348 balers here. We can typically only bale a few hours in the mornings with the dew because in our weather too wet of hay is seldom a problem, but too dry often is. We can regularly bale close to 300 bales an hour per baler onto the ground weighing approximately 60 lbs.



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paul

07-29-2004 19:57:57




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 Re: Baler stats (poll) in reply to Errin OH, 07-29-2004 12:40:31  
I never really timed it. I guess I could load the hayrack, about 125 bales, and unload it in the barn, and be hooked up again, in less than an hour & 1/2 with my 270 NH. Not really sure what that works out to tho in bales per hour, with a bit of transport, unload, & take a drink time added. I know the 270 is not a fast baler, but that was all I wished to work as what it pushes out! :)

--->Paul

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Ron

07-29-2004 19:01:38




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 Re: Baler stats (poll) in reply to Errin OH, 07-29-2004 12:40:31  
Our old "Sidewinder" John Deere baler had about as much "capacity" as anything I have seen.. 52 plunger strokes per minute, and a bale every 5 to 6 strokes and they were REAL Bales..70 lbs or more, depending on what the farmer wanted... Always dropped them on the ground so we could make better time... Boy, did the neighbor boys complain about not being able to get their fingers under the wires..!! They were used to their string bales..!! We were used to it, and didn't even need gloves..you know how it is... Generally the AC WD-45 was in 3rd gear and the pickup was crammed FULL all the time... Man, what a good baler...!! Sold it running, and freshly greased after over 7.5 Million bales...

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Mguy

08-01-2004 00:19:35




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 Re: Baler stats (poll) in reply to Ron, 07-29-2004 19:01:38  
Are we talkin'about a 116W JD here? Mguy.



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SPEEDWAY SQUARE BALING

07-29-2004 17:42:58




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 Re: Baler stats (poll) in reply to Errin OH, 07-29-2004 12:40:31  
I pull a hesston 4570 with a farmall 300 (yeh, it's a $15,000 baler pulled by a $1000 tractor, i get a kick out of the funny looks from every body)
on an average hour of baling its usually around 317, the best hour i've ever had was 342. i think the brochure said it could drop 375/hr but i'm not in that big of a hurry and really don't like to tear up equipment
the bales hit the ground at 65-70#
jake
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Garry - East TX

07-29-2004 17:17:26




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 Re: Baler stats (poll) in reply to Errin OH, 07-29-2004 12:40:31  
Errin,

Some of them 'can' do it..depends a lot on the feeder/plunger strokes per minute that the 'particular' baler is capable of ..... ..

haven't ever with my 542 "yet" as it's still in the 'reconstruction mode'.....but that little 273 can get it (the 280 - 42"�, maybe not the tonnage, as tonnage will vary greatly with the grass maturity & quality).....

BUT....

things have got to be about perfect for it to happen, ie....good long, straight & full windrows, (very little turning time), of dry grass that feeds & packs easily, no stopping to adjust bale density, no shear pins breaking etc..... .

Doing it consistantly in irregular conditions..... .is probably questionable, but when things are right & the machine is set right.....can be done...

glc

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Bob H nw Oh

07-29-2004 17:07:32




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 Re: Baler stats (poll) in reply to Errin OH, 07-29-2004 12:40:31  
Errin,I just ran 395 60# bales wheat straw for my neighbor in 2 hours with a WD45 and NH 268 baler,good straight solid bales,only stopped about 15 min.Bob.



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Nebraska Cowman

07-29-2004 16:55:38




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 Re: Baler stats (poll) in reply to Errin OH, 07-29-2004 12:40:31  
the last I ran a small squre baler was an IHC model 435. in good hay I could tie a bale in 6 strokes of the plunger. These were 40 pound bales thrown in a kicker rack. At 60 strokes a minute that would be 400 pounds or 24000 pounds (12 ton) an hour. (I think they advertised at 19 ton)Of course you loose time unhitching wagons. I have seen round balers advertised to take 30 ton an hour. Thats 40 1500 pound bales. I've never been able to get much over half that. If you figure 45 seconds stop to start to wrap a bale there went a bunch of your hour.

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