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Baling etiquette

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Kari

07-23-2004 09:49:37




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Just successfully baled our first hay - we've been putting up loose hay for a dozen cattle since forever - this new baler technology just might catch on. Square bales that is - those crazy round things is just to new to think about for another 20 years.

Anyway, just wondering if it is better to go clockwise or counterclockwise.




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Jerry/MT

07-24-2004 18:00:27




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 Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Kari, 07-23-2004 09:49:37  
Go clockwise or counterclockwise but be consistent. Don't change halfway through or you'll get crossthreaded!
Sorry, I just coudn't help myself!



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Sam#3

07-24-2004 05:47:51




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 Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Kari, 07-23-2004 09:49:37  
I didn't read all the posts but does it really matter?
"Blessed are those who go around in circles for they shall be known as wheels."
Good luck with your new toy.

Sam



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Ibby

07-24-2004 03:14:35




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 Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Kari, 07-23-2004 09:49:37  
If you bale CW, the bales are dropped outside the windrow (if you're dropping them onto the ground), giving you more clearance for the next pass.

Personally, I've switched to doing long windrows up and down the length of the field, and NOT having any crossways windrows on the end. Much better for us that way. The kicker throws less into the weeds.



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Ron

07-23-2004 19:21:36




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 Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Kari, 07-23-2004 09:49:37  
If it is heavy hay, leave the "Backswath" for later...it will be tougher early, and will dry out more while you bale into the field... Then, if it needs to be turned, it can be, and dryout more...this moves it further in away from the fence too...



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wolfy

07-23-2004 19:15:55




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 Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Kari, 07-23-2004 09:49:37  
Clockwise. If rake same way as mower ran, rake grabs heads first & rolls windrow so that leaves & heads are in & stems are out to sun & air(dries out better). Bale same direction & windrow picks up heads first-baler pickup can be off ground a bit; saves teeth. Even tedder fluffs a higher fluffier result when it catches heads first. It's like the old soft shoe vs. the stomp.



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Rick

07-23-2004 15:46:19




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 Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Kari, 07-23-2004 09:49:37  
It doesn't make any difference period. whatever is easiest for you. But I would definitely eliminate the bushhog mower if doing straight alfalfa.



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txblu

07-24-2004 07:05:18




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 Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Rick, 07-23-2004 15:46:19  
don't do alfalfa. Do coastal and dallis only.



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ErnieD

07-23-2004 15:43:03




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 Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Kari, 07-23-2004 09:49:37  
Our Jd 14T did not like double windrows, and hand catching and stacking on the wagon for a double windrow on the start was not fun. We would go the first lap ccw baling straight from the swath and then rake cw from then on. It worked, did not leave much behind.



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CJ

07-23-2004 14:36:58




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 Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Kari, 07-23-2004 09:49:37  
Towards the pickup-cw.You can see w/o hurting yourself,keep on the windrow w/o running over it,they're made to take it,but it's better on the u-joints IMO.



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joe in Pa.

07-23-2004 10:36:50




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 Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Kari, 07-23-2004 09:49:37  
you start with grass standing in a field and end up with square bales of hay in your barn. anything in between doesn't matter.



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txblu

07-24-2004 07:03:49




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 Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to joe in Pa., 07-23-2004 10:36:50  
true, true.



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txblu

07-23-2004 10:08:45




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 Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Kari, 07-23-2004 09:49:37  
Do what you want that is most convenient.

Squares. Usually grass. Use a bush hog type cutter. May tedder. Rake is side discharge to the left so my first pass is perimeter ccw. Then depending upon the mass, may come back again. Then I will move over 1 or 2 rows (again depending on the mass) and come back the other way. Once this windrow is finished I will start a second just like the first; ccw first.

Rounds. This is usually 5-6 ft dense forage with thick stems. Use side cutting swather (mower conditioner. If I know the field and it is clean around the perimeter I go cw as that puts the cutter on the swather into grass untouched by the tractor tires.

If unknown, may start with a ccw round putting the tractor at the edge of the field thus cutting over about 7' from the edge. This allows a look see at the obstructions. Second and subsequent rounds are cw. May or may not rake. If raking may rake all rows ccw or if not too dense, may make 1 wind row out of 2 by finishing a loop and reversing the tractor and coming back the other way. Continuing this pattern till finished.

Square bales are nice for a 12 animal herd as you can control their forage. Rounds work good for large operations and require less attention once placed.

Mark

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ben uk

07-23-2004 11:43:34




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 Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to txblu, 07-23-2004 10:08:45  
A bushog for cutting hay?

Are you drunk?



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txblu

07-24-2004 07:01:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to ben uk, 07-23-2004 11:43:34  
Try it mate, might learn something.



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Ben uk

07-24-2004 09:04:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to txblu, 07-24-2004 07:01:53  
Sorry mark, it was meant to be a joke. Now that i read it again i realise its not very funny!

We always have a contractor come in and cut our 15 odd acres with a disc mower, but we do have a 'bushhog' (called a topper more commonly over here) and if we could use that it would save some money!

Oh, by the way, its a 5 foot topper, and we only have a MF 135, will it get a bit bogged?

Thanks

Ben

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txblu

07-25-2004 06:16:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Ben uk, 07-24-2004 09:04:37  
I'm serious. Try it and you might like it. I did and I do and sold my Ford 515 sickle, which is a very good sickle as they go.

I run a 5' on a MF35 Perkins 3/152 (which should be the predecessor to yours) and it doesn't even know it's back there. Run a 6' on a Ford 2000 (about 30 or so PTO HP) which I take to be less HP than the Perkins and it stays with it.

You'd be surprised how much quality hay you can capture after a "hogging" of a hay patch.

Remember, horses are 1 time thru the system. the finer you can make the forage, the easier their digestion and the better performance you get for your food $$$ (or LLL) whichever is the case.

Mark

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Tim(nj)

07-25-2004 11:26:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to txblu, 07-25-2004 06:16:04  
Same principle behind using a New Idea Cut/Ditioner or M-C Rotary Scythe (what I use) flail machine to cut hay. Smaller pieces dry faster and are more palatable. Doesn't usually work too well for leafy legumes. Although this year I was forced to cut some down, wet, red clover with it and the leaves weren't messed up too badly.



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Roy in UK

07-25-2004 05:27:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Ben uk, 07-24-2004 09:04:37  
Ben,
With a 5' 'Votex' type topper there would be an awful lot of grass flattened with the tractor wheels, or is it an offset topper? I would hate to see what hay mown with a topper would look like after two days killing weather and one days rain on it :(



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txblu

07-25-2004 06:18:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Roy in UK, 07-25-2004 05:27:58  
Don't know what a topper is, but believe it or not, tire tracks aren't noticeable hayin with a hog. I can cut a hay patch, recover the contents and 3 or 4 days later, just as smooth as when cut.

Now if you're cutting a weed patch, all bets are off.

Mark



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Jim in Va

07-23-2004 10:28:01




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 Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to txblu, 07-23-2004 10:08:45  
Why do you use a bush hog type cutter for grass hay? Is the cutter modified in some way?



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txblu

07-24-2004 07:00:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Jim in Va, 07-23-2004 10:28:01  
Got tired of fooling with sickle bar. Always someting to complicate the process and always clumps of grass piled up so that I had to buy a tedder to scatter things out afterwards.

Additionally, if I tried to go any speed at all, it would skip over the grass. I'm talking about small stem soft, supple grass, not fibrous stemmy grass (use a swather for that....sickle/conditioner/windrower).

I have several mowers that are adequate. Tail is about 2" off ground with front about 1". Nothing special but do have the back open so that hay can readily exit (took all the chains and stuff off). They are fast, cut clean, right behind tractor so don't have to worry about where is the end of the sickle, can turn corners without a big hay pile up and best of all, it cuts the grass into little pieces so that it cures in a day. Don't need the extra trip of teddering. Not a problem per se baling. May loose a little raking but for the convenience I'll take it.

Also, my horse customers love it (have one that drives 65 miles to get my hay). Price is right, her horses get fat, and no colic.

Mark

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Ben uk

07-24-2004 09:01:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to txblu, 07-24-2004 07:00:37  
I always thought that the finer the grass was chopped up the worse it was for horses?

Am i just being an ejit?



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txblu

07-25-2004 06:21:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Ben uk, 07-24-2004 09:01:02  
Can't emagine why. That's what their teeth do.

Like crushing oats used in horse feed. Makes it easier to digest.

Mark



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Joel Harman

07-23-2004 15:21:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Jim in Va, 07-23-2004 10:28:01  
take out side skirt & can leave stems long. Was discussion on this last winter. I prefer to use a sickle bar myself



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Bkeepr

07-23-2004 09:56:02




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 Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Kari, 07-23-2004 09:49:37  
Hah hah, welcome to the 20th century! We just did the same thing a couple years ago--going to a baler after years of loose hay that is.

I've got an ancient New Holland 66. Anyway, the manual, recommends baling clockwise. In fact, they say to rake once going clockwise corkscrew fashion going in toward the middle of the field. Then rake a second time going counterclockwise, which moves the hay away from the edges of the field and leaves room for your tractor and baler to then go clockwise all the way to the middle.

Don't know if that's right, but that's how I've been doing it and it works ok.

Tom A

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Loren

07-24-2004 21:02:16




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 Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Bkeepr, 07-23-2004 09:56:02  
I think you'll have better luck with cutting and raking counterclockwise the first lap, then reverse to clockwise the rest of the field. This will bring the pickup(which is on the right of the tractor) closer to the edge without running over obstructions along the fence/treeline on the first lap. That lap of bales will have to be moved so you can continue baling clockwise. I've taken to doubling the first two swaths by raking ccw first, reversing and doing the double on a cw. That way the first windrow will be baled to the outside and I can bale by it without moving bales. Of course you'll need to judge your ability to do the double by if the tractor travels slow enough and the baler fast enough to handle the amount of grass a double will provide. It seems to make a big difference in the pickup on the baler if you rake and bale with the swather or against. Against and the swath tends to "blow out" and not feed smooth into the bale chamber.

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txblu

07-25-2004 06:24:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Loren, 07-24-2004 21:02:16  
My Hesston round baler owners manual says that you do better baling in the direction of cutting for long stemmy crops.

On square baling, don't know if it matters as the hay gets a right smart tossing in the preload chamber before it is crammed into the smacker.

Mark



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Ken

07-23-2004 10:51:07




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 Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Bkeepr, 07-23-2004 09:56:02  
I'd say clockwise, it is much easier to keep the pickup in the windrow on clockwise turns.

Ken



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Russ

07-23-2004 13:42:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Ken, 07-23-2004 10:51:07  
What about raking two windrows around the field, bale that up,then go back and forth lengthwise of the field. It is easier to rake and bale that way,not so many tight turns, which wear u-joints.



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mark

07-23-2004 14:41:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to Russ, 07-23-2004 13:42:27  
I think the balers are designed to turn to the right with your tractor, (clock wise). It seems our balers have always run smoother when turning right, and it is easier to stay on the windrow going that direction. Just my opinion.

Mark



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Alternate

07-24-2004 13:14:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Baling etiquette in reply to mark, 07-23-2004 14:41:08  
LOL



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