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NH 316 I Give Up

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Nathan Webb

07-21-2004 20:31:10




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I am using a 316 New Holland baler for the first time and the way it is going my last. If I had a bomb it would be history. I sheer a bolt everytime it makes a bale. It is the sheer bolt on the flywheel. I have checked the timing 100 times. The tine bar is maybe 1/4 inch off to the right if you are looking at the gears. I have been told this is not off enough to matter. So if not what could be my problem. It has new knotters

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smirkey

07-23-2004 07:03:07




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 Re: NH 316 I Give Up in reply to Nathan Webb, 07-21-2004 20:31:10  
i say your plunger needle latch linkage needs to be adjusted. it is not clearing the crank arm. . just look under the baler and see the the "needle latch" . dead give away if the corner is rounded from striking the plunge crank a little each knotter cycle.



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smirkey

07-23-2004 06:58:01




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 Re: NH 316 I Give Up in reply to Nathan Webb, 07-21-2004 20:31:10  
i say your plunger needle latch linkage needs to be adjusted. it is not clearing the crank arm. . just look under the baler and see the the "needle latch" . dead give away if the corner is rounded from striking the plunge crank a little each knotter cycle.



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Scotty

07-22-2004 14:14:16




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 Re: NH 316 I Give Up in reply to Nathan Webb, 07-21-2004 20:31:10  
If it were me I would let a dealer look at it at this point! I have a 316 that has about 18,000 bales on it, & never had that problem. As a matter of fact I really like my baler more than any other I have had!



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JJL

07-22-2004 13:17:53




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 Re: NH 316 I Give Up in reply to Nathan Webb, 07-21-2004 20:31:10  
I have a NH 320. Since you say it does it when you "make a bale" I think your problem has something to do with the needle brake that prevents the needles from entering the chamber when it's making a tie. That'll shear a pin every time (and a good thing). That's where I'd check first.

You say you've checked the timing, I expect you mean you've gone from front to back checking timing marks? I can think of three right off the bat without looking in the book: the main plunger, the knotter shaft, and the tine feeder bar. BTW, mine is not exact on the tine bar, either, so maybe that's endemic with NHs? Not off by much, but when you go through all of the timeing and end up at the tine bar, that one's a bit off. Doesn't seem to hurt anything, though.

JJL

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JJL

07-22-2004 13:31:45




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 Re: Re: NH 316 I Give Up in reply to JJL, 07-22-2004 13:17:53  
Of course, what I meant to say is it keeps the plunger out of the chamber when it's making a tie, not the needles. Sheesh . . . :)

JJL



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Clay

07-22-2004 14:53:48




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 Re: Re: Re: NH 316 I Give Up in reply to JJL, 07-22-2004 13:31:45  
I had the same problem with my 320. The needles jumped back up slightly after returning from the tie and the dog would stop the plunger and break the shear pin "EVERY BALE". Check the Dog stop and see if that is what is shearing the pins. May also be that the dog is not coming completely open after the tie.

If you have a helper clean the hay out of the chamber. Have him (her if your lucky. ha,ha)turn the flywheel by hand. Stand back by the knotter and trip the "full bale lever" by hand and see where it binds up.

Hope that helps.
Clay

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Clay

07-22-2004 14:52:58




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 Re: Re: Re: NH 316 I Give Up in reply to JJL, 07-22-2004 13:31:45  
I had the same problem with my 320. The needles jumpedback up slightly after returning from the tie and the dog would stop the plunger and break the shear pin "EVERY BALE". Check the Dog stop and see if that is what is shearing the pins. May also be that the dog is not coming completely open after the tie.

If you have a helper clean the hay out of the chamber. Have him (her if your lucky. ha,ha)turn the flywhell by hand. Stand back by the knotter and trip the "full bale lever" by hand and see where it binds up.

Hope that helps.

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David

07-22-2004 10:17:17




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 Re: NH 316 I Give Up in reply to Nathan Webb, 07-21-2004 20:31:10  
You say is has new knotters. Have you checked the clearance between the bill hook and the twin disk gears to the disk that activates them. I have seen this spacing get off due to ware and when the bailer tried to tie a knot a knotter frame would brake because of the gears binding insead of rotating. This was on a bailer without shear bolts. I do not know if this would cause the shear bolt to brake or not, but if everything is in time it would be another place to look.

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kyhayman

07-22-2004 08:16:38




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 Re: NH 316 I Give Up in reply to Nathan Webb, 07-21-2004 20:31:10  
Im a JD man for square balers BUT the principles of tying a knot are similar. Check to see if the needles are all the way home on the return stroke. On a JD there is a brake on the knotter drive that slow and holds the needles. As the brake wears the needles want to 'bounce back' at the end of the cycle. This prevents them from fully engaging the plunger safety lock dog release. Shears a pin evey time it ties. Tighten the brake.

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Errin OH

07-22-2004 07:48:27




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 Re: NH 316 I Give Up in reply to Nathan Webb, 07-21-2004 20:31:10  
I don't have a NH but was wondering what you mean by "every time it makes a bale". Breaks a bolt when knoters trip, tie, and return? Or does it just avg once a bale?

1st - On my ford I have a slip clutch. In heavy tough stuff it will slip and I can hear it. Slow down a bit and all is OK. I doubt that it would only break when tying, but then again the additional load it might. Guess the question is how are the windrows and how fast ya moving?

Also, on my ford, there is a plunger stop that activates when the needles come up. Anything like that on the 316? Is there any play in the linkage, missing spring, etc, that it may not be releasing/removing it quick enough when the bale ties, needles drop, and plunger needs to move.

Not familiar with the term "Tine Bar" Would that be like a feed fork? If it were the feed forks hitting the plunger I think you'd see signs of it on the forks.

If all else fails wait a few days before blowing anything up. There a fella here name Steve who is a NH expert. He'll probably chime in soon.

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paul

07-22-2004 16:14:18




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 Re: Re: NH 316 I Give Up in reply to Errin OH, 07-22-2004 07:48:27  
> Also, on my ford, there is a plunger stop that activates when the needles come up. Anything like that on the 316? Is there any play in the linkage, missing spring, etc, that it may not be releasing/removing it quick enough when the bale ties, needles drop, and plunger needs to move.


Dollars to doughnuts, that is exactly the problem he is having. That stop needs to be adjusted to 1/16" of an inch on my NH or it gets in the way. That stop sure makes a real 'bang' when the shear pin goes! He needs to check back with us & tell us more details of what is happening, when, & how.

--->Paul

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Bkeepr

07-22-2004 04:39:46




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 Re: NH 316 I Give Up in reply to Nathan Webb, 07-21-2004 20:31:10  
I'm not at all familiar with the 316, but on the older NH balers (like my 66) if the knife on the plunger is dull and you're doing big windrows or tough grass they'll shear bolts by the sackful.

For whatever that's worth.

Tom A



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