Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Attention Forum Users: On the 28th of December 2023 at 9:00am Central Time, we will be taking the forums down for maintenance while we prepare the new forums for your use. Please click here for more information.

Implement Alley Discussion Forum

grain bin questions

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
John

07-15-2004 10:50:40




Report to Moderator


A neighbor has a 3200 bu grain bin for sale. I'm thinking of buying it and moving it to my farm for soybean storage. The bin has a screen about 9 inches in diameter hanging from the center. Is this part of the drying system or what would I have to do for a drying system? I'm a dairy farmer and I just don't know much about dry grain storage.




[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Rick

07-16-2004 06:20:23




Report to Moderator
 Re: grain bin questions in reply to John, 07-15-2004 10:50:40  
John; Is this bin currently on concrete or is it sitting in the ground. It sounds like 18 ft government bin. Be careful if you put it on cement as the bottom ring is not designed for that. It is design to be sitting in the ground for stability. I would elimanate what ever is hanging from the top unless it is fill spreader which I highly doubt. Is the bottom ring smooth or does it have ripples this will make difference also.It sounds like he has hung a air screw tube in it. If you do put it on cement you probably want to put stiffners on it this will keep it from collaspsing vertically. They will just wrinkle down,seen it happen alot of times. I currently have 3 30ft diameter bins on trailers will be putting back up soon as rye harvest gets complete. Did six bin moves last summer. PS Is this bin steel or Aluminum. If it is ALuminum its not worth moving. The size bin you are talking in my area price ranges from free to $150.00 tops,it better have old style air floor included also for that price. Have you done any bin work yourself before or are you having it hired done? Rick let know if you need more info as I have done several of these. I made cement forms,bin jacks etc and some used bin accesories for sale also if need.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
JMS/MN

07-16-2004 17:23:25




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: grain bin questions in reply to Rick, 07-16-2004 06:20:23  
Aren't you reading a bit much into this? You've decided that since it is 3200 bushel capacity, it is an 18' government bin and not designed to be put on concrete? What else are bins put on, unless they have a flimsy steel floor? Bins normally have an angle iron on the lower edge of the bottom sheet, which is on the concrete, and the lower ring is anchored to the foundation with bolts. Sheet steel floors were made for those who did want the bin on the tax rolls, so they set them on blocks, not anchored, so they were not real estate. Any bins that are made out of flat steel sheets are older than the hills, and not likely worth moving. |Anything in the last 30-40 years is made of corrugated steel, and can certainly be moved. Stiffeners are put on bins that are made to carry drying or stirring equipment at the upper level of the bin. A bin used just for storing grain does not need stiffeners just to support itself.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Rick

07-16-2004 17:52:15




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: grain bin questions in reply to JMS/MN, 07-16-2004 17:23:25  
JMS/MN; I don't think so because IF it is a government bin alot of those were not on cement. They were any where from 6 to 10" in the ground the bottom ring was. Some had galvanized metal floor and some just had sand in them for a floor. They would put plastic over sand. These are the units that some do try to but on concrete later and that bottom ring is just not made to hold all the weight/unlike before where it was half buried in the ground. THE FLANGE YOU REFER TO ON THE BOTTOM has nothing to do with the vertical strength of the bin. I can show you several bins that are just used for storage where the sides are wrinkling down. The last new one I put up the bottom does not have the flange you are referring to so it does not have to be special manufactured. You use a light angle to bolt on as bottom flange and has a 1" slot to help fill in any cement unlevel goofs. We are doing a 24ft next week replacing wrinkle side sheets in it and will put stiffners in the bin when done so it won't do it again. Rick

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
John

07-16-2004 09:55:54




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: grain bin questions in reply to Rick, 07-16-2004 06:20:23  

The bin is sitting on the ground. The bottom ring does have ripples. And it is made of steel. I am in central NY and used bins just don't exist in my area. The bin was only used for oats. It also has a solid steel floor. I thought I would try moving it myself. I'm open to any tips or suggestions and thanks for the replies.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Rick

07-16-2004 18:22:18




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: grain bin questions in reply to John, 07-16-2004 09:55:54  
John; You say it is sitting on the ground,how is it anchored if it is ontop of the ground. You might not have what we call a common government bin because all of them that I have dealt with unless they have been already moved once again the bottm ring is half in the ground. Thats what held them. You will need bin jacks (do you know what I mean here)to lift it. Or a buddy with endloader and a long reach. We usually just take off enough rings to get it under the electric lines. Back trailer under and let it down on it. Let me know when you are ready to start and I can step you through the process. You will find my number and other info on my new web site www.RickSales.com. Just don't get in hurry and risk injury,I have seen these complete fall over or end up crashing down because of jacks place wrong or not enough of them used. Rick ps I step a fellow last summer from Washington DC through this same process so it won't be the first time or I am sure the last.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
paul

07-16-2004 21:40:44




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: grain bin questions in reply to Rick, 07-16-2004 18:22:18  
I got my volleyball team together one Saturday about 10:00am, 4 guys, 2 gals, & myself. We did it just like Rick says, & had all the parts sitting in my yard by 7:00pm, and only one of us knew what we were doing (not me...).

If at _all_ possible, an electric or air wrench will make your day _much_ easier to take rings off. I bought one just for this job, use it for other stuff now. Best thing I did.

Fellow & his son came to take thier bin down about 2 hours after we started, they were wrenching & cussing for a while, they didn't know any more than I did about it. He came over & watched us for 5 minutes, told his son he would be right back, kid should help us while he was gone do anything we tell him to, and the son should _learn_ everything we did. Dad came back about 25 minutes later, took a new electric air wrench just like mine out of it's box....

I enjoyed that, was fun. :)

--->Paul

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
paul

07-16-2004 14:21:10




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: grain bin questions in reply to John, 07-16-2004 09:55:54  
I'm in southern MN, have 2 Butler govt bins that I need to put up, they were burried 12" and had the steel floor. They look pretty stout, Butler is a good name here, while I've seen enough crumpled Lindsay bins the Butler's seem to hold up just fine on concrete?

Bin jacks are really helpful.....

--->Paul



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Rick

07-16-2004 17:58:32




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: grain bin questions in reply to paul, 07-16-2004 14:21:10  
Paul; Most of the government bins I have been doing were Butlers also. Just check your gauge thickness on the bottom sheet. Some were thicker than others don't ask me why but thats what we have learned. The three that I moved to my place over ten years ago I put stronger sheet on bottom and put angle iron stiffners inside. Good luck Rick



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
paul

07-15-2004 12:28:15




Report to Moderator
 Re: grain bin questions in reply to John, 07-15-2004 10:50:40  
JMS has it about right. For soybeans, you would not need heat or a drier at all. Many beans are stored here in the midwest in bins without any venting or air, as long as you put them in the bin at 13% noisture, it's pretty cold where you are, and keep an eye on them. It is good to have a screened floor, a couple vents in the roof, and a 1 hp or slightly bigger fan to move air through now & then if the need arises.

Some just put a small square or a 'Y' pattern in the cement floor, or even just big plastic tubes on the floor, & hook a fan up to that. You want to keep an eye on soybeans, but if harvested dry enough, they usually keep just fine with little fuss. They even have those little tube ariators you screw in from the top to take care of hot-spots - but kind of a band-ade approach. But if building, moght as well go for a vent floor of some type, at least the 'Y' pattern, pretty easy to cast into the concrete & place a couple pieces of vent flooring over them.

For corn, you would 9 out of 10 years need to add heat to dry the corn, and maybe even stir it. Gets more complicated for corn storage.

When moving the bin (sounds like a govt bin??? I have 2 sitting here waiting for floors & to be bolted up - I moved them by taking 2 rings off & setting on a car trailer, driving the mile to my place) Be sure to seal them up again, you don't want any water leaking in, even just a little will start a moulding spot, and those spots create their own heat which draws moisture out of the air & you are off to the races, they feed & breed themselves into ever bigger mould spots. Well, just like silage....

The screen in the center sounds like a corn crib screen, not so very useful in a grain bin???? Like a corn crib, fines like to settle in the middle & restrict airflow & that is where moulding often starts, so maybe it helped with that if it is not some kind of deflector to spread the grain.

--->Paul

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
JMS/MN

07-15-2004 11:16:07




Report to Moderator
 Re: grain bin questions in reply to John, 07-15-2004 10:50:40  
What's hanging from the center is likely a distribution system. For drying grain in a bin, you need a drying (vented) floor, fan with burner, and a stirring system. Another option is a batch dryer that sits outside the bin, can be used with several bins, and depending on type, can be used with a wet bin and unloading system to automatically dry and unload.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy