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Follow-up questions on JD24T shearing bolts

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Yankee_in _TX

07-13-2004 08:52:55




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Read a post a couple pages back on shearing bolts on a 24T. Opened my eyes a bit.

My 24 wire tie baler sheared a bolt, mostly because I think I overloaded it with hay. The baler makes some frequent banging and the fly wheel has a bit of a movement to it when you wiggle it with your hands.

There was some talk about the plunger. I'm waiting to get a 24 manual, but does anyone have a picture what I should be looking for. I'm sort of new to the hay game and any help would be appreciated.

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Yankee_in_Texas

07-14-2004 05:26:19




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 Re: Follow-up questions on JD24T shearing bolts in reply to Yankee_in _TX, 07-13-2004 08:52:55  
Looked everything over. The ram has a bit of play in it when grapped and twisted. I think what happened was that I was packing the bales too heavy. I can turn the flywheel to a certain point. The forks go down into the chamber and then I can't turn it anymore. I think I need to clean out the hay and try again.



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msb

07-14-2004 08:57:15




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 Re: Re: Follow-up questions on JD24T shearing bolt in reply to Yankee_in_Texas, 07-14-2004 05:26:19  
Take a look to see if the needle frame is completely "home".When the needle frame is fully retracted or "home",it hits a lever that pulls the plunger stop out of the way of the plunger head or plunger crank arm,depending on how your baler is set up.On a 336 the stop will hit the crank arm not the plungerhead itself.Don't remember about a 24WS.You really need to remove the hay to get a good look at the problem.

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msb

07-13-2004 21:31:19




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 Re: Follow-up questions on JD24T shearing bolts in reply to Yankee_in _TX, 07-13-2004 08:52:55  
Deere didn't put their plunger heads on roller bearings until the 336 baler was introduced.Your baler has a plunger head stop that keeps the plunger head from breaking off the needles should the baler get out of time or the needles remain in the chamber for any reason after doing their thing.The stop enters the bale chamber each time the knotter or twister is activated.Sometimes the stop will get rusty or will stick "on" and not return all the way out of the bale chamber.There is also a spring that could be broken or stretched causing the trouble.A sticking needle brake can also cause the needles to not fully return and keeps the stop from returning home. Then the plungerhead hits this stop and shears the bolt in the flywheel.-----Trip the bale measuring wheel and slowly turn the baler over by hand while watching the plunger and you should see how it works.Then check all points of attachment for freedom of movement.Clean that wheel with some fine sandpaperor emerycloth of any rust.It is located on the wire twister shaft and is a solid metal wheel about 8" or so in diamater.RUST-Good reason to not store a baler outside.

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txblu

07-14-2004 07:01:34




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 Re: Re: Follow-up questions on JD24T shearing bolt in reply to msb, 07-13-2004 21:31:19  
Don't overlook the brake pads. Keeps the ram (plunger) and stops separated.....I think.....worked anyway.

Mark



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txblu

07-13-2004 09:58:45




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 Re: Follow-up questions on JD24T shearing bolts in reply to Yankee_in _TX, 07-13-2004 08:52:55  
I did the post.

I also have a Ford 350 (besides the JD 24T). It banged and clanged and stressed the overload mechanisms. That's the one I fixed.

The ram is like the piston in an engine: piston, rod, crank (with flywheel). The piston is square with a knife on the hay inlet side and rollers on the back, bottom, and maybe the top.

My rollers were completely worn out and when the moving knife attempted to squish the hay between it and the fixed knife, the piston would move away from the fixed knife like 3/8". This was enough to make a big mechanical mess and crummy looking bales.

Replacing the roller bearings solved the problems (along with nice sharp edges on the knives) Those knives should pass very close together; on the order of 10's of thousands of inches; like .03".

Undo the connecting rod at the crank (2 bolts) and push the ram out the back of the baler. If the sides of the baler has hay stops, take them off. Work past your tying mechanisms and out the back you go.

The bearings are called "Cam roller bearings" and I got mine from a local bearing supply store. They were standard items in his "Agricultural Bearings" catalog.....$35 ea at 6 per.

This is getting lengthy. Got more questions, ask,

Mark

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Bob

07-13-2004 10:48:53




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 Re: Re: Follow-up questions on JD24T shearing bolt in reply to txblu, 07-13-2004 09:58:45  
I don't believe the 24T's had bearing rollers on the plunger, unless the late production ones did.

My 24T has simple wear pads on the plunger, with a shim pack under them. The combination of shims under the wear pads, and the adjustment of the "crossheads" that push the pads against the LH side of the baler set the clearnce of the knife, on the RH side of the plunger.



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txblu

07-14-2004 06:59:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Follow-up questions on JD24T shearing in reply to Bob, 07-13-2004 10:48:53  
Didn't. Have 2 balers; green and blue. Put the bearings on the blue one, brake pads on the green. Never pulled the ram out of the green one so don't know what it uses..... yet.

Mark



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Mike

07-13-2004 09:55:59




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 Re: Follow-up questions on JD24T shearing bolts in reply to Yankee_in _TX, 07-13-2004 08:52:55  
I was the one with the previous posting. I have some data that I could email you.



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txblu

07-13-2004 10:02:15




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 Re: Re: Follow-up questions on JD24T shearing bolt in reply to Mike, 07-13-2004 09:55:59  
We must have had 2 posts which happens often, once a subject is introduced. I had a 24T that I put brake shoes on to stop pin shearing on it and fixed the Ford 350 to stop the banging and clanging.

Best,

Mark



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Yankee_in _TX

07-13-2004 13:11:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Follow-up questions on JD24T shearing in reply to txblu, 07-13-2004 10:02:15  
Thanks everyone. I'm starting to get some knowledge here. I put some grease on the rails, since the baler sat 1 year unused before I got my hands on it. It make nice tight bales, just makes some noise.



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