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NH bale wagons

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JeffIa

07-11-2004 20:25:55




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i had a quick question for anyone with experience with these things. i have never seen one in my area, and was just curious if they work as well as they appear to... almost seems too good to be true. also would a NH 271/269 make a good enough bale to go through a 1033/1034 model wagon? Thanks for your help in advance.




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JeffIa

07-14-2004 21:45:48




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to JeffIa, 07-11-2004 20:25:55  
these things sound great!!... thanks for all you guys for your info... this is a great site



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JJL

07-13-2004 05:24:45




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to JeffIa, 07-11-2004 20:25:55  
As far as I'm concerned, these are THE way to put up small square bales. My 1032 has seen a lot of use and abuse as well. It's still going but is starting to have more problems due to age, but if you take that out of consideration they are a wonder to work with. You very quickly get good at picking the bales up out of the field--I look at this as a competition with myself each load, seeing if you can make difficult pick ups on corners, etc. What can I say, makes the day go faster. :) As others said, bale consistency is important: it won't load soft bales. The pick up attachement tears them apart and then you run the chance of getting hay into the chains and balling things up that way. Heavy, tight bales are a must, and those practically bounce onto the first table. Level ground for stacking is a must, as well. You can get falling loads easily with trying to stack on uneven ground. And if you build a barn for stacking in, be sure to build it wide enough so you can have a little maneuvering room. My two barns are 36' wide (four loads wide for mine) and I wish I had another 2' to play with. It makes it much easier to stack with mine if you can lower or partially lower the pick up attachement so you can see the base of the load. When I stack the fourth load and am up against the edge of the barn, it's more difficult to judge what the push off feet are doing. I'm not familiar with that baler, but there is a relationship from the size of the bale to the wagon. Frankly, I think that's for simple efficient use of the wagon--larger bale=faster and more hay to the barn. It's frustrating to run small loads to the barn when you could be carring 10-20% more hay by having the maximum for the wagon. For both weight of bale and length of bale, as well as the width of the bale. I have the 320 baler which was bought specifically to run with this wagon.

Be SURE to lubricate these wagons, especially the hinges for the two moving tables. They take a lot of stress and they can wear before you know it. It's get out the welder time if those hinges start to bind, and since the wagon works like a giant Mouse Trap game, every little bit that gets out of alignment can start to bother something else. So oil those hinges liberally every few days.

JJL

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Albert

07-12-2004 07:42:17




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to JeffIa, 07-11-2004 20:25:55  
Also terrain plays a factor with bale wagons. Pulling one up hill is extruciatingly slow and when you are trying to make a tie-teir the bales will just slide off the wagon or will fall over which can be frustrating. Also set your baler as tight as it will go. Your baler should work great but you need the attachment to get the bales to turn on its side cut side up. If you do decide to get one, a great idea is to make custom wood pallets that go on the back of the wagon where you dump so the bales on the bottom don't rot. One thing IS for sure though, it beats stacking them yourself and saves you $20+ dollars/hr for help.

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kyhayman

07-12-2004 06:47:16




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to JeffIa, 07-11-2004 20:25:55  
I had one of the first bigger ones (1034) in this area. Saw them up in Canada and decided that was the system for me. They work as well (or better) than they appear to but it does take some learning.

If I had it to do over I would have bought a 1033. Only tried single bale unload once, still too much hand labor and the 1033's reset faster going to the field plus dont have that huge cylinder to maintain.

What I have learned, bales must be TIGHT. I had to go to a 36" bale b/c my density is so much higher now than it was when I was hand stacking 40" bales. Gates need to be 16' at least (you can theoretically use a 14' gate but you better hit it right). Overhead is important, I think the book says 12.5 but, unless it is absolutely level with no old hay and such go 13.5. Been using them for 5 years now.

Bale consistency is critical. Never used the balers you refer to. As long as you can keep a straight, uniform length bale of high denisty should be ok. My 1034 was built in the mid 70's?? seemed to be ok, not many moving parts, mostly hydraulic valves and flowing oil. My first year learning curve was pretty steep. On that subject, they are terrain sensitive. Most of our hay land here is B-D slopes. I try to stay off the C and for sure the D slopes with it, hard to keep the stacks in the load rack going down hill. A and B slopes, you can make good time. I typically load in under 20 minutes, ever how long to shuttle to the barn, and then back. Unload time is 5 mins tops. By myself, raking, baling, and stacking I normally get 800 bales a day. For each person I can add I can increase production significantly. My record is 1500 bales in a day (11 am- 9 pm). Unlike hired help, it shows up on time, doesn't have to quit early for a date, doesn't get injured on the job (at least not to affect your insurance). With $300 in spare parts short of a pump, I keep one of them too, thats about $500) and a torch/welder you can practically rebuild one in a couple of hours.

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Hayfarmer

07-11-2004 22:15:20




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 Re: NH bale wagons in reply to JeffIa, 07-11-2004 20:25:55  
Bale wagons are great. In my area it is the only way hayis put up. Most of the ones here are the bigger ones, self propelled, cabs and all. They are adjustable for different size bales. Here most guys use 3 tie balers. The bigger wagons have the option of "block stacking" guys do that so they can handle the piles with a fork lift and use the same thing to load trucks when they sell the hay. Not familiar with the 1033, but think it may be a larger version of the 1032. It takes a little time to get so you can stack your piles and they stay stacked. If you put them in a barn it has to be high enough to accomodate them. If you go to the NH site they discuss the different types of wagons.

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