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Penna Farmer

07-10-2004 18:49:40




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just wondering what equipment you are using. I have an odd collection, but it seems to work so far..
JD 4230 quad range
Massey Ferguson 165 diesel w/ loader
JD 640 rake with dolley wheel
NH 56 rake, drawbar hitch
NH 163 tedder, new this year
Deutz Fahr 4 star tedder, old and tired
NH 575 baler with 72 thrower

Just curious to see what everyone is using, especially those doing small square bales I am farming about 100 acres, all hay and 40 acres straw with this system

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John from Pa

07-13-2004 06:06:02




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
Deb and I are in our third year. We do all square bales so far. One of the first pieces we bought was the round baler. I overhauled it and painted it and havn't used it yet. I never round baled but
I want to try it. Our operation consists of Me, Deb and our 12 year old daughter and the following equipment.


Ford 8N
AC 180
684 INT
784 INT
NH 477 Haybine
NH 850 Roun Baler
NH 273 Square Baler
NH 451 Sickle Mower
Rake No Idea what brand
Diller 8 ton wagon

We do a little over 100 acres devided between two places. Most of the hay we use ourselves
but if we know we'll have extra come late winter
we'll sell.

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Indydirtfarmer

07-13-2004 04:59:40




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
Might as well list my "inventory" too,
John Deere 4440
John Deere 2440
John Deere 4020 w/loader (Spear for rounds, and grapple for accumulator)
Vermeer 5400 Rebel round baler (New last summer)
John Deere 336 square baler w/ Steffans accumulator
New Holland 273 square baler 2 New Holland 256 Roll-A-Bar rakes
John Deere 925 disc Mo-Co
New Holland 488 Mo-Co
New Holland 163 tedder
6 20' 10 ton wagons
Little Giant elevator (40')
Never enough help

John

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G706

07-12-2004 22:31:33




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
MM G1355 tractor
Hesston 1340 disc mower
New Idea 6 wheel rake
Morrel 5 wheel rake
Kuhn tedder
2 Freeman 200 engine balers
Freeman 370 hydro baler
MM M670 Super tractor
MM M670 tractor
NH 1075 bale wagon
1967 Ford F600 truck



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D

07-12-2004 20:53:45




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
JD 7510
JD 6400 loader
JD 2130

Gehl 2480 round baler
Hesston 1340 discbine
NH 144 inverter
NH 256 rake
Hoping to replace the inverter and rake with either a wide V-rake or rake/tedder over this winter.



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Joe Wade

07-12-2006 06:02:30




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 Re: Re: custom hay operators... in reply to D, 07-12-2004 20:53:45  
Help:
I am looking at a Hesston 1340 discbine. I would really apreciate it if someone could let me know if this is an OK machine. Good points. Bad points. Basic information.



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casey

07-12-2004 12:56:09




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
706 farmall with a loader
wd allis chalmers
336 JD baler
#16 IH 5bar side delivery rake
417 oliver sickle with a 7ft bar
3 flat racks
25 ft bale elevator

NOT ENOUGH TIME!

i work full time and farming helps me keep my sanity. grew up on a farm and left when i was 19. 25 now and glad to be back! i have 35 acres in hay and 10 in straw this year. hopefully more next year.



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EZ

07-12-2004 12:27:36




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
Case 1690
Farmall Super H

Hesston 12' haybine
NH 56 side rake NH 273 baler
2 Pro Quality hay baskets



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Brad

07-12-2004 05:07:37




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
I have

JD 3010
Ford 861
Use of my Dad's 6600 W/loader
Cut with a NH 488
Ford 501 sickle mostly for trimming
NH 255 Rake/Tedder
Back-up JD rake
Bale with a IH 37 She's old but works well
Four flat wagons.
I'm doing about 25 acres for our horses and goats and sell the rest. Just finnished 1st. cutting and we have about 1800 bales and 24 rounds I sold to dairy Farmer. My biggest Problem is Barns are full, 2nd??

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Tim(nj)

07-11-2004 19:25:32




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
JD4430 which mows with a Mathews Company 9-E Rotary Scythe. (JD 1209 still around as backup)
Ted with a New Holland 254 on Ford NAA. (254 currently needs some parts to be used as a rake) Rake with MF65 utility and New Idea 42M 3-point rollerbar rake. Also have A-C PTO tedder rake as backup. Bale with 4430 and Hesston 4550 centerline baler with thrower. Have 2 Farmco 8'x18' thrower rack wagons, one Dion 8'x18' wagon, 2 wood wagons, one 8'x16', the other 7'x16', and a JD 216 Chuck Wagon that serves as a hay wagon in the summer, and an ear corn hauler in the fall. Also have 32' Zimmerman elevator, also for hay and ear corn. Do about 6000 bales per year. To make sure I have enough to do, I also have soybeans, oats, and wheat besides the hay and ear corn.

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Eric Rylander

07-11-2004 19:15:56




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
Back in the early '80's we had a hodge podge of worn out equipment to make hay for our sheep and some steers on about 13 acres in Todd County MN. My dad decided that after our hay was made he couldn't have a teenager sitting idle and getting into trouble, so he found me custom baling jobs.

Now, I understand he was trying to teach me the value of a dollar as well as work deals on shares to get us extra hay, but he failed to realize that equipment that broke down half a mile from the house in the lower pasture wasn't going to fare any better fifteen miles away!

We had a '53 DC Case with live power, a $250 later model Moline "R" with NO brakes on the New Idea semi mount mower (the lowered cutterbar would hopefully slow you down) an earlier Moline "R" on the John Deere conditioner, and an Allis 303 baler that did a RECORD 700 bales for me without missing a tye or shearing a pin!

The worst part was trying to haul an old Co-Op side delivery rake ON STEEL down highways....that and it was the most troublesome POS we had.

That and the jobs were usually some people with a couple horses and 5 acres of the steep, hilly fields of Brome grass, thistles and gopher mounds interspread with sicklebar eating rocks.

Though it sounds miserable, now that I'm 37 and have been working as a mechanic for many years I somehow miss the clatter of a sickle mower and thrum of the baler..... .

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wolfy

07-11-2004 19:03:43




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
Mow with Int 826 D gear drive and Heston 1320 Disk conditioner. Ted with Int 664 D and 3-pt Kuhn. Rake with NH 256 dolly & 3010D. Round bale with M&W 1500 and Deere 4030; Square bale with JD 336 and either the 3010 or 664. Move round bales with the 826 (no substutions if at all possible -826 is too smooth). Load rounds with Int 684 & 2250 loader. Haul squares with 1981 Chevy pickup: 50 bales per trip, never get feet off ground. 336 has a thrower-pickup a little more work but quicker for my one-man operation. Do about 350 rounds & 4000 squares. Have a 1979 NH 479 haybine as backup; a 1963 NH 271 square backup(which has baled about a million bales before it's retirement); A Duetz- Allis 13 ft rotary rake as backup; a 1979 Ford pickup. Trim mow with Super C . Have a 544 gas for sale. An Allis- Chalmers D-17 gas sits all summer and feeds cattle every day in winter.

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Bob Semrau

07-11-2004 17:21:06




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
JD 480 haybine, pulled by AC WD
JD 594 rake for second cutting, Sitrex RP-4 wheel rake for first cutting, pulled by Ford Jubilee NH 162 tedder, pulled by either the Ford or the AC
JD 510 round baler, NH 268 square baler, pulled by Oliver 1600
Also still have MF 32 sickle bar mower as backup



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Bill B

07-11-2004 17:17:56




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
HI, I HAVE 2 MF165D'S AND A MF135D, JD 1217 MOCO, JD1219 MOCO, JD 925 DISC MOCO, NI 402 AND NH 256 RAKES, MORA 420 AND NH 163 TEDDER, JD337 WITH KICKER, NH 847 RD BAILER AND 4 HOME MADE HAY WAGONS.



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Loren

07-11-2004 13:33:15




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
Started with a 9N, Case 133 baler and a Case 655 swather. Second year I added a Sitrex 4 wheel rake, then an Oliver 77 Standard. This year I've added a Bush Hog bale loader and a Int. 300 Utility. There's a Farmall B thrown in there that isn't running yet. Wish I could get into the class of equiptment you're running. Loren



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steve450

07-11-2004 13:00:54




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
Mow with an IH 656D and Hesston 1070 haybine, rake with a JD 2010G and a New Idea 402 rake and bale with either tractor and an old New Holland 66 baler. Looking for a cheap tedder and hopeing to update the baler soon.



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David in WY

07-11-2004 12:19:56




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
We use: 3 JD 4040's one on a NH 1475 16' haybine and 2 on JD 348 balers a JD 70 on a 348 baler and a JD 720 on a 347 baler (backup baler). Also a JD 4240 on a NH 1037 stackliner and if we need rakes a JD 620, and a JD 630 on JD rakes. Cut about 600 irrigated acres of alfalfa and grass. Graze 300 more irrigated acres.



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TP from Central PA

07-11-2004 11:43:40




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
Usually mow with the Farmall 706D and a NH 489 haybine.
Ted with either the Grimm or the old NI rake/tedder(On steel) pulled by a Farmall 504G.
We often rake with the NI rake mentioned above or a NI 404 wheel rake, usually pull it with the 504 but we have used the Farmall M-TA and Super M too.
Bale with a NH 275 with a thrower on the 706D, before this year we had a NH 269 with a chute that the M-TA live on for the summer(Along with the Feed Grinder).

Now if we put up rounds we borrow the neighbors IH 186 Hydro with Gehl silage special round baler and wrap with their one IH 766D and bale wrapper built in Britian by a company by the name of Edwards(Or something like that).

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Kelly C

07-11-2004 10:38:46




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
Just in my 2nd year of this. Work full time so cant get too big. Doing about 60 acres total this year.

Farmall 400
Farmall H
Farmall 300 ( not running yet)

NH 55 rake
NH68 baler rebuilt
NH 268 baler Not using yet.
IH 241 round baler

NH469 haybine
JD #5 mower
3 flat racks 16 foot hay elevator

home built (by me) 16 foot flat bed trailer to deliver hay.
1991 Ford F150 that sees more work than all the rest.

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Rick

07-11-2004 08:34:46




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
Penna Farmer; I have much less inventory looks like. One 4450 Jd 1460 mow conditoner/ it is for sale nice $6000.00 just going to 14ft cut unit 570 New Holland baler/with Hoelsher accumulator/looking for a Deere baler again also 1650 Oliver loader/grapple 6 old donahue Implement trailers/will have ten or twelve working towards. 1 6 wheel columbia wheel rake/for sale just going larger also
It all depends on each individual situation looks to me like. If it works for you don't worry about it period. The bale wagons I don't have sheds big enough for. Most of mine always leaves at the field or shortly after so I do not unload trailers until field is done each time or customers unload them. The biggest fields I have are 50 acres so I base setup off of that at present. Have tarps for trailers so when loaded just tarp and done. Each of the main ones hold 264 bales. I am scattered out also too far travel with Bale wagons for all more they hold.

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mile0001

07-11-2004 08:25:07




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
JD 70 tractor
JD 10 side mounted sickle mower
JD 21 conditioner
New Idea wheel rake
JD 14t baler with thrower
one wagon

15 acres

:-)



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Albert

07-11-2004 07:39:15




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
Case 830 with New Idea 551 square Baler
John deere 4430 w/ New Holland discbine
Ford 8000 w/ Victor 110 rotary rake
Farmall 756 w/ John deere 338 sqaure baler
Farmall Super m w/ New Holland tedder
New Holland 1089 self propelled balestacker

We are going to do about 30-40k bales this year straw and hay. The balestacker is the one of the most awesome machines you have ever seen.



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Gary in TX

07-11-2004 06:41:56




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
John Deere 4430 quad with 725 loader
John Deere 4230 syncro
John Deere 3020 syncro
Massey Ferguson 135 gas
John Deere 530 round baler
John Deere 346 square baler wire
John Deere 2280 self propelled windrower 14'
John Deere 1380 hydroswing 14'
John Deere 275 disc mower
New Holland 469 haybine( will be for sale soon)
New Holland 56 rake (2) with hyd rake hitch(homemade)
John Deere 48 loader going on 3020
Hay van 5 bale bale trailer gooseneck
Bale wagon 4 bale bale trailer bumper pull

Looking to add another 2280 within the next year and upgrade on rakes. Got a wheel rake bought but have to go pick up.
Would also like to add a second round baler on the list to run 2 and also a 3rd. cab tractor next season.

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tractor dan

07-11-2004 06:14:08




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
ford 5000
farmall 350 diesel
farmall c
farmall h
ford 8n
nh 489 haybine
nh 162 tedder
nh 256 rake
nh 258 rake
nh 269 baler with 53a thrower
9x18 diller on tamden gehl gear, 7.5x20 dion on tandem gear, 8x18 meyer on gehl gear ih #27 sickelbar for trimming up
only doing about 65 70 acres
got a ford 8600 but dont have the motor back together yet



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farmallmaniac

07-10-2004 20:43:42




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
you guys got any pictures?
Ryan



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kyhayman

07-10-2004 19:05:04




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 Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Penna Farmer, 07-10-2004 18:49:40  
I'm doing less custom work now than even a few years ago. Still running the same equipment. Doing 10,000 squares and 2-3000 rolls. Equipment: 2 Ford 7610's (1 with loader). 2 Ford 7600's. 1 Ford 5600, and 1 Ford 7710 (loader). 2 NI 5408 discmowers, 2 NH 256 rakes, 1 NH 56 rake with tandem hitch, NI 17' tedder, 2 NH 650 round balers, 1 JD 336 square baler, 1 NH 1034 automatic bale wagon, 1 Case 1845C skid steer, and an Anderson inline wrapper.

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Rick

07-11-2004 08:41:52




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 Re: Re: custom hay operators... in reply to kyhayman, 07-10-2004 19:05:04  
kyhayman; Here is question for you. I am looking onto the Anderson inline wrapper. Do you think a fellow could use it to wrap the smallsquares under 16%. I am wondering what they would be like after they go thru the sweat which it all has to do. I think what research I been doing I could set two bundles on it and the wrap would be 20bales or two high to make the tube. What do you think. Rick. It would also be used for straw which I do more of than hay and has more value than hay in my market. Rick. P>S next week I am ordering a moisture tester to mount in baler from HMA systems.

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kyhayman

07-11-2004 18:06:48




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 Re: Re: Re: custom hay operators... in reply to Rick, 07-11-2004 08:41:52  
I've seen some dry hay wrapped , most looked pretty good. Seems that it discolors (yellows) a little on the outside from heating/sweating. Doesnt appear to have any adverse effects.

I've used Anderson and Tubeline. I really like the Anderson a lot better. Tubeline uses electronic switches where the Anderson is all hydraulic switches like a NH bale wagon. Dry hay I like 2-3 layers of plastic, wet hay at least 6. I've seen cubes of squares wrapped, not sure the exact dimensions. I thought about it before last year (the market here for barn stored rolls haas taken off). 12 squares to the 4x4 roll, $2.50-$3.00 for the squares, $30 for a barn stored roll and it let me cut my summer payroll by 30% and winter by 50%. I'll probably drop back to 6000 squares this year.

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