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Rejuvinating a hayfield

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Jim H.

07-06-2004 22:07:02




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Howdy,
This isn't an implement question, but I'm sure someone here can help. I live in NW PA, and I have a big field that's in decline; it should be giving me 2000+ bales but it looks like I'll only get 800 or so. I know I can have lime put on it, anyone know who to contact about that in this neck of the woods? Here's the real question: Is there some middle-of-the-road option for mixing in more timothy into the field? I don't want to plow-and-replant; the field already has some timothy as well as other good grasses. Can it be broadcast with decent results? Broadcast and maybe disced in? Or maybe something else? Maybe the lime is all I need???
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- Jim H.

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RB/CT

07-07-2004 18:43:03




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 Re: Rejuvinating a hayfield in reply to Jim H., 07-06-2004 22:07:02  
I have a 10 acre field of Timothy Hay in NE PA. Others have given excellent advice. It takes time and money to produce. How much hay was cut on my field last year...0. It was just brushhogged in late August and fertilized and seeded itself. This Spring I Frost seeded some Medium Red Clover (excellent results), and some Birdsfoot Trefoil (negative results). Three years ago had it seeded with Climax, Timothy seed, excellent results the following year. Ive seeded this field myself by broadcasting, after it was hayed, as the roll a bar rake scratched the ground, and hopefully the seed found those slots. This year this field is loaded with Timothy and Orchard grass, and will be hayed, and then probably limed in the fall, as it hasn't been limed in over ten years. Probably two tons an acre at a cost of $50 ton installed or close to $l,000 for the field. Good luck, it takes work and money as I said before. Also hand sprayed weeds out with Round Up.

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Justin-PA

07-07-2004 13:15:07




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 Re: Rejuvinating a hayfield in reply to Jim H., 07-06-2004 22:07:02  
Jim,
As everyone has said, you should get a soil test and possibly visit your extension office. Just in case you don't know where yours is, click the link below. Find your county on the map and there you go. Good luck!



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Del

07-07-2004 08:37:26




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 Re: Rejuvinating a hayfield in reply to Jim H., 07-06-2004 22:07:02  
I've seen bumper stickers that say DON'T GUESS SOIL TEST The best two dollars you will ever spend. (Well they used to be two dollars.) Be sure and take the time to gather your samples correctly.



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kyhayman

07-07-2004 07:33:11




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 Re: Rejuvinating a hayfield in reply to Jim H., 07-06-2004 22:07:02  
John and Mark both gaveyou really good advice. I wont restate their points (except one, the agronomist in me just cant let it slide). Without a properly done soil test there is no way to know how much lime or P/K you need and if it will do harm or good (yes, you can overlime).

Timothy is classified as a short lived perennial, over time the crowns do decline and die out. Consistantly, I have seen the same things you are observing, thinning stands and declining yields. Lime has never been the problem for me in timothy, potassium has (just figured it out this year when I added wheat to the rotation which shows very observable signs of K defieciency). I normally expect 5 years of production out of timothy fields which are properly managed. Maximum yields in years 2-4 with year 5 yields at 50% of year 1.

Notill is the only system I've used for many years. Make sure to spend the time needed to adjust and calibrate the drill. As a rule, I have found Haybuster brand drills to be easier to accurately calibrate than Tye.

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txblu

07-07-2004 05:44:45




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 Re: Rejuvinating a hayfield in reply to Jim H., 07-06-2004 22:07:02  
Ye can't reap what ye don't sew.....er ah.

To grow plants need NPK + trace mineral, sunshine and water; kick in a little dirt for a medium; maybe a little lime (as you said) for acid soils to put the ph in the center so all that good stuff gets digested.

It's amazing what a soil test and subsequent fertilization for the desired tonnage will do to a tired field.

I have one that was neglected for 25 yrs that I know of. Seriously, it wouldn't even grow weeds. I plowed it aggressively, let it lay by and planted this spring with an aggressive fertilization with trace minerals and all. Lo and behold I have a field of vigorously growing coastal bermuda in my sudan. Twasn' there before; or was it?

Mark

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Indydirtfarmer

07-07-2004 04:49:41




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 Re: Rejuvinating a hayfield in reply to Jim H., 07-06-2004 22:07:02  
Way too many MAYBE's there. Get a soil test done. Quit guessing. Most likely, you will need lime. The soil test will tell you how much. Also, you'll likely need to fertilize. Usually, county extention office will be "helpfull" with advice on what to do, and what NOT to do. While you're at the county extention office, ask about rental of a no-till drill. Almost every rural county has (ownership or rental arraingement with a dealership) a no-till drill that they will rent to in-county land-owners. In most cases, they'll have one you can pull with a "smaller" tractor. "Over-seeding" and then discing won't give you very good results. The soil test is the best move you can make. John

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