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Stan

07-06-2004 14:22:15




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Need a little info on tedders or tedder/rakes. We only put in about 500 bales a year, but have hay that just won't dry (without extreme good luck) here on the coast of WA with the old mower and antique side discharge rake we have. If a person was looking for a simple tedder or tedder rake, what should you look for? Oh, we have a Farmall A, Case VAO, and just got a Ferguson TEA. (Yeah, I'm a sucker for old equipment). Any info is appreciated.
Stan

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Errin OH

07-07-2004 11:17:46




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 Re: Tedder/rake in reply to Stan, 07-06-2004 14:22:15  
Know the feeling, There just isn't nothing like runnin a 50 year tractor and baler. Jub puring at 1600 r's and the clank of the hay dogs on the 14-80 each stroke. Sadly I am max'd out production wise and am going to have to move on soon. Between 2 of us, weather, and manual handing we are only able to do about 500 bales at a time. Look for three days of good weather. Mow down 10-15 acres. Wait a couple days, start raking bout 10am, baling around noon. Bale and stack wagons till 3-4. Move on to stackin in the barn, finish up bout 7pm. Look for the next dry spell.

About Rake/tedders - I have two NI's. 1 steel wheel ($70) and 1 on rubber ($15). The idea seems to be that by changing direction of the roll bars, you have the choice of pushing the hay forward, thus rolling off the trailing end to form a windrow (rake), or pulling the hay under the rake and flipping it out the back of the rake (ted). In both cases the speed of the rollers is determined by ground speed. So you need to be moving to get a good flip and fluff in ted mode (pto drive would have been nice). I ran 3rd @1800 on my NAA most of the time to get a good ted job. The only adjustment to the rake (between ted and rake) was the direction of the rollers and tines. Rollers coming forward under basket and tines somewhat forward (lifting hay up as you go) to rake. Rollers going down and out the back to with tines towards the rear (pick it up and toss out) to ted. Takes about ten seconds to set it up. Of course the type of hay affected the way it was spread out. In grass's I could run it down it close to the ground and it wouldn't throw it very far, but fluff it up real good (air flow for drying). In heavy clover, I would have to slow down a bit to keep from tossing the one row into the next, raise the rake up to skim off the top and widen the windrow a bit (more surface area) usually done right after mowing. Then I would go back with it a day later in the lower position to flip it. I should add when I was using a sickle mower I didn't need to skim like I do with the 1209 (no windrowing from sickle). I could spread it out a little better on the 1209, but like the ability to "see" good clean cuts on each side, nice windrow in the middle, and know its not plugged up with a plastic bag some damn fool threw it out his window because he didn't want trash in his car. Like I want it in my field. Prior to getting the 1209, I was using a NI sickle and NI crimper.

Actually my first year I had a baler and a sickle. Talk about taking forever to bale! Not counting cost I think I was only making something like $2 an hour and payin the help $5. The sickle laid it flat and wouldn't let it dry evenly for crap. After a week the top would be brown and the underside would look like it was just cut. By adding the crimper I could at least pick it up and throw / spread it out a little better after mowing. I could also add panels to the crimper and form a windrow. Still took a week to dry though. Then I happened on to a "windrow flipper" or as I call it a "$1200 mistake". Talk about discouraging. The plan was to form a windrow with the crimper and then come back a day later and flip it to get even drying. What a nightmare. I don't recall the name of that thing but talk about screwing up a hay field. Its job, as designed, was to flip a formed windrow over onto dry ground and reform the windrow as you go. That's about the last thing did. It was real good at forming hay balls about every 10-15 foot. Tried to replace the stop tines with a soild pannel / curtian, that worked so-so. So I took off the stop and used it for a season to flip out the side (ted of sorts) and picked up a cheap rake. Discover the rake had the ability to ted and quit using that POS all together. The tedder raked worked fairly wel but it was still 2-4 days depending on what I was cutting. Just didn't "spread" it out enough, but was a definate improvement. Then the weather pattern took a dump. I lost about 1/3 to bad forecast, rain, and humidity. Alfalfa and clovers wouldn't dry for crap due to the 85% humidity and rot in the field. If the forecast was rain - it wouldn't, if dry - it'd rain. This year didn't start off any better. At least now they get it somewhat right. Problem is that it rains every 2-3 days. Saw one of those Kuhn's running and had to have one. $1000 later, I did. Talk about "EVEN" and quick drying. 18-19 foot 4 basket. Spreads two rows at a time and easily takes a day if not two of the drying process for me. Paid for its self first cutting (1/3 I haven't lost). So Now its cut with the 1209, follow with the Kuhn, ted again the next morning, double rake with the NI's and bale with the ford. Grass's - 1-2 days, clover / alfalfa - 2-3 (depending on mix) and even with the crappy weather I haven't lost anything yet. As of Saturday I have sold everthing I done this year. Guess at some point I should start keeping some for my cows.

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Bob Semrau

07-07-2004 07:08:27




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 Re: Tedder/rake in reply to Stan, 07-06-2004 14:22:15  
A little over a year ago I bought a NH 162 18 foot tedder, and it's been great. This is a pull-behind model that I believe is actually made by Kuhn. I paid $1000 for it at an auction, the 9 foot version (2 spinners instead of 4) would probably be cheaper. It doesn't take much horsepower to run - my Jubilee doesn't even know it's there.



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Bkeepr

07-07-2004 04:30:24




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 Re: Tedder/rake in reply to Stan, 07-06-2004 14:22:15  
I broke down and bought a Pequea 710 tedder this year for $750 bucks and like it. I've seen old Grimms go cheaper, but they're harder to find.

One alternative you might consider if you haven't already is a crimper. I picked one up at auction for $10 about 3 years ago because I have one lowland field that wouldn't dry without "extreme luck" as you say, and then would take 3-5 days. The crimper saves me all the hay from that field, as it now dries and does it in about 2 days most times. Cheap and easy solution for my problem.

Tom

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Adam B.

07-06-2004 23:29:54




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 Re: Tedder/rake in reply to Stan, 07-06-2004 14:22:15  
The New Holland 254 (now 255) rake/tedder does a great job of scattering and gathering windrows. You simply rotate a cam on each basket to change between raking and tedding, and adjust the width to suit the crop.

We got one when they first came out (even assembled it ourselves out of the crate). The early ones had problems with the grease fittings popping out on the tine arms. To get around that, I carried a grease gun with me and gave the fittings on the arms a shot every half hour. It was inconvenient, but it worked. The early 254's also had very small, narrow tires that were prone to go flat and could easily find their way into varmint holes.

We had some later 254's that didn't have the problem with the tine arm grease fittings, and had much larger/wider flotation tires that were much more durable and were less likely to take damage from holes (you can't always see them under scattered hay).

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Chief 83

07-06-2004 21:37:07




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 Re: Tedder/rake in reply to Stan, 07-06-2004 14:22:15  
I bought a tedder 2 years ago. It's great. I also live in Washington so I know what your talking about. The tedder cuts off at least a full day, maybe more when there is a breeze. I cut and tedder right after, rake the next day and bale the following. I gave up finding a used one and bought new. Mine's a Hesston 5710 from Fischer Mill Supply in Oregon City. Randy there is a good guy. You might try them. When you get it you will have wished you had bought one years ago....

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Tim(nj)

07-06-2004 18:49:28




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 Re: Tedder/rake in reply to Stan, 07-06-2004 14:22:15  
Allis-Chalmers also made a PTO drive rake that could work as a back tedder with any of your tractors. Many newer rotary rake/tedder combos are 3-point, and that little Fergie does not have enough to pick one up. Got a New Holland 254 (although I only ted with it) and the Ford NAA runs it fine but protests when lifting it.



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Bret

07-06-2004 17:32:42




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 Re: Tedder/rake in reply to Stan, 07-06-2004 14:22:15  
I bought a 7 foot Kuhn 3 years ago, used. I'm very happy with it. I have used the Grimm/Peaquea type too and am just as impressed with them. Any tedder is worth it's weight as far as I'm concerned. Cuts at least a day off drying in good weather and has saved a bunch for us during poor weather. It makes a difference even now that I have a haybine.



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TP from Central PA

07-06-2004 16:03:10




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 Re: Tedder/rake in reply to Stan, 07-06-2004 14:22:15  
I'd buy an old NI..... .....They work great IMO! Ours has been owned by about every former farmer in the township and gets past down at every farm sale. We just bought it when our landlord sold all his dads equipment two years ago...

I broke a gear on it this spring so I am going to put a Hydraulic motor on it this winter, along with new paint and teeth..... ....So it should be ready for another 50 years of work!

I'll post a picture tonight..... .

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