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OT Rained on hay removal

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txblu

07-06-2004 08:05:04




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Have a field of sudan (long stemmy hay) swather cut and windrowed. Stubble is regrowing now up through it to the tune of about 12" (about 7" above cut hay). Field is still wet after 3 wks and crop is moldy and slow to cure. It will eventually dry out and then what?

Neighbor said to let it be and wait for second cutting to grow out. Then set swather to cut above old hay and just leave it (old hay).

I have a problem with that as you can't harvest the new crop without distrubing the old; can't rake and baler would have to be set up 7" off ground.

What to do? What to do?

Mark

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Garry - East TX

07-06-2004 16:31:14




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 Re: OT Rained on hay removal in reply to txblu, 07-06-2004 08:05:04  
Txblu,

just a passing thought....being as it's sudan rather than coastal or bahia..... assuming the 'cut' is lost already, due to the weather..... ...if'n it was mine..... I'd sacrifice a few rows of later cuttings & let it lay in a controlled way, to help replenish the organic matter in the pasture..... .ie(..if'n the pasture is dry enough to not 'rut' it up terribly, rake several passes into a single giant windrow, just to get it off the new growth, & let it lay, deteriate & compost..... .)make your next cuttings in between the windrows, then after haying season & everything has dried out some, & your getting the pasture ready to reseed..... scatter the leftovers & recover some organic material as well as some of the nutrients tied up in the now existing problem..... .....

like I said...just a passing thought.....

glc

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txblu

07-07-2004 06:01:58




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 Re: Re: OT Rained on hay removal in reply to Garry - East TX, 07-06-2004 16:31:14  
That's not a bad idea. Now that I have a trusty tedder, (which I won't be without again) scattering after the fact would be easy and I like the organic input for next year idea too.

I'll run that by the neighbor.

Thanks,

Mark



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Don-Wi

07-06-2004 16:22:43




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 Re: OT Rained on hay removal in reply to txblu, 07-06-2004 08:05:04  
If you have access to a forage harvestor , chop it back on the ground. It'll go through most of the standing hay w/out damaging it except what gets run down. That's about all we would be able to do if it was still wet, otherwise we would bale it and sell as cover hay to landscapers and homeowners or chop it for bedding.
Donovan from Wisconsin



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txblu

07-07-2004 05:59:31




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 Re: Re: OT Rained on hay removal in reply to Don-Wi, 07-06-2004 16:22:43  
Don't have one.

But I have a question for you. Do you (does one)put up forage wet? If so, what do you do about mildew?

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Mark



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Don-Wi

07-07-2004 16:07:05




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 Re: Re: Re: OT Rained on hay removal in reply to txblu, 07-07-2004 05:59:31  
Yes, forage goes in wilted, not green right after being cut. Ussually day after cutting. If it's only a little wet, you need to run a garden hose to your blower to add water, otherwise the pipe will constantly plug up, and it won't heat right. If it's been on the ground for more than a week, we won't put it in the silo. Our cows refuse to eat it, so it goes to waste anyways. Others may be able to get their's to eat some that was put up with mildew, but not us. We rarely put haylage in our silo, as we chop enough corn to last until the end of July atleast, if not into mid-August. We chopped some oats last year that was too weedy to combine, put it up w/ dried molassis, and our cows loved it. We harvested it in the milk stage.
Donovan from Wisconsin

By the way, Would you be able to rent a chopper, or is it completly out of the question?

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txblu

07-08-2004 09:02:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OT Rained on hay removal in reply to Don-Wi, 07-07-2004 16:07:05  
Wouldn't even know where to start looking. I'm in the Yuppie belt and farms here are mostly small. A few 1000+ acre guys run grains (sorghum, corn, and cotton on rotation). The ranchers use sudan or coastal bermuda grass for hay. I think I have seen one silo since moving here and it is 50 yrs old.

Thanks for the reply,

Mark



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SPEEDWAY SQUARE BALING

07-06-2004 10:40:44




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 Re: OT Rained on hay removal in reply to txblu, 07-06-2004 08:05:04  
i had the same thing happen on one of our fields last year, my solution was to heat up my brush hog blades enough to hammer the lift out them, brushhog the field rake and bale(sold it to cattle & goat buyers)was lucky enough to cover my costs plus a case of beer. my nh277 baler went down 2 days before rain and with parts overnighted still couldn't get them installed before we got 2 1/2" over a 10 day period on some real nice grass hay.
SPEEDWAY,
BROKEN ARROW,OK

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txblu

07-06-2004 11:03:21




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 Re: Re: OT Rained on hay removal in reply to SPEEDWAY SQUARE BALING, 07-06-2004 10:40:44  
Thanks Speedway.

I am going to talk to him tonight. Maybe the hoggin is the way to go.

Thought things were drying out (no rain over the holiday) but this am you guys (Okies..Grin) sent us another squall line. So who knows when we can get into the field.

I think if it gets too bad with mold and mildew that I will insist that at least my cows aren't fed it. Rather loose a cutting of hay than mess up some fine stock.

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Mark

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Chet Glenn

07-06-2004 10:35:55




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 Re: OT Rained on hay removal in reply to txblu, 07-06-2004 08:05:04  
I cut 20 acres of bermuda 3 weeks ago and then came the rains.... we raked every chance we could, all to no avail, never could get the windrows to dry out and then it started molding inside. This went on for 2 weeks. Finally gave up and took a propane torch and burned the hay in the windrows. Should have seen the smoke!!



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txblu

07-06-2004 10:59:30




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 Re: Re: OT Rained on hay removal in reply to Chet Glenn, 07-06-2004 10:35:55  
His wife suggested that but this is seed planted sorghum (this spring) and I doubt the plants would survive the burn-off.

One problem I have with this field is that he and I share acerage for a joint cattle operation. What I cut from this field gets fed to my cows too. So I am keenly interested in the outcome for 2 reasons.

Thanks for the reply,

Mark



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Sid

07-06-2004 09:41:30




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 Re: OT Rained on hay removal in reply to txblu, 07-06-2004 08:05:04  
What your neighbor has suggested has been done before. That means it is doable. It does not mean it will not be a pain in the neck to do it. You can set the haybine high and you can set the rake high. Any baler I have worked around can be set high. As I mentioned before this has been done. In my opinion the best way to salvage anything is to turn cattle in one it but evn then you need to watch for nitrate poisoning. I know you have lost the first cutting. Is silage or haylage an option available? A bush hog to cut standing crop and scatter the old windrow would probably not be a good option but. If I was in that situation I would at least try it as you mentioned earlier that just leaving the field was not an option. Before I typed this I went to your older post on the other board and saw you had come back after I and others had replied to this question earlier. I am sorry that it seems you were left hanging there but it was not intended.

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txblu

07-06-2004 10:56:11




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 Re: Re: OT Rained on hay removal in reply to Sid, 07-06-2004 09:41:30  
Thanks Sid,

I'm reposting because it is just getting worse and the earlier post is getting old and back in the pages.

It's definitely a dilema. The field is leased by my next door neighbor who is retired, of limited means, and this is surely not making him feel good. I'm "hobbying" right now, putting it up for him, so it's not hurting me financially, although I am going to have to redo something and will eat the cost for that.

Not fenced so cows are out. Bush hogging and subsequent roll up of the remains might be an option. I put up grass hay by bushhogging and it works very well in square bales. (I actually prefer it to a sickle mower which I sold.) Would roll this.

He talked like the rest of the year we would try to stay on top and put this 1st cutting in the soil when finished for the year. That part doesn't sound good to me as the field will be a bear to do.

Thanks again for your input.

Mark

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Another Fordson Operator

07-06-2004 14:41:40




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 Re: Re: Re: OT Rained on hay removal in reply to txblu, 07-06-2004 10:56:11  
Not that anybody asked my opinion on this, but...

I never cared much for Sudan grass -- can be troublesome to gather (as you have experienced) and gives the cattle diarrhea for a day or two after you first feed it to them. If you're in the barn milking and you hear a cow cough, stay away from her hind end or you'll likely get a bath/shower you'd prefer not to get!

Just my .02 worth.

Good luck with your situation, however you choose to resolve it.

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txblu

07-07-2004 05:57:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OT Rained on hay removal in reply to Another Fordson Operator , 07-06-2004 14:41:40  
Thanks,

For leased land around here it is the preferred forage. Additionally it is said to be sweet tasting to the cows and they take it over grass. Also, since it grows to several feet tall and can be thickly planted, it makes a significant yield per acre and the haying operator can make lots of hay for time spent.

Thanks,

Mark



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