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M W 4500 vs Vermeer 5400

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Lamont

06-28-2004 06:30:13




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I am considering buying a baler but I an somewhat limited on choices as my tractor is 49 hp. I understand that both the M & W 4500 and the Vermeer 5400 only require 40 hp. I also understand (after talking to a dealer) that the M & W has a soft center bale while the Vermeer has a hard center bale. I would appreciate some advice on the pros and cons of both balers.




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Sid

06-28-2004 08:19:20




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 Re: M W 4500 vs Vermeer 5400 in reply to Lamont, 06-28-2004 06:30:13  
I guess it depends on what you want. I Have a M&W they unroll to a point, and then you are left with a loose wad of hay. I feed quite a bit in bale rings so that is not a problem. Some guys around here do not like a M&W for that reason. When you finish a field and do not have a chamber full you have a loose wad of hay that does not keep well out doors. The first year I had my baler,I bought it used, I had a problem and my brother finished baling for me with a Gehl Belt baler. It makes a tight core. that winter when I fed the hay I would take one of each and they always cleaned up the soft core bale from the M&W first. I have noticed where a M&W baled in the same field as a belt baler and the bales from the belt baler had a little mold the M&W had none. Not the balers fault but in that case the soft core resulted in a better quality feed. In my opinion a soft core bales does not hold up as well as a solid core bale. In situations where the hay is going to be handled a lot a soft core may not be the way to go. And I will admitt in some hay I do not make as pretty a bale as the others but the cows do not judge by pretty do they. I have tried to present the good and bad points of a soft core baler and will say that for my operation they do just fine. Decide what you what for your operation and go from there it is like tractors no one make will please everybody.

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wolfy

06-28-2004 19:04:23




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 Re: Re: M W 4500 vs Vermeer 5400 in reply to Sid, 06-28-2004 08:19:20  
Those M&W balers are adjustable as to density of that supposed-to-be soft core. You can make them quite tight to the point they can still be rolled around next spring. They really hold their round shape. Once in a while they are so dense that the cows chew the ends so that it looks like a closed book.



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Hay Dr.

06-28-2004 16:16:30




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 Re: Re: M W 4500 vs Vermeer 5400 in reply to Sid, 06-28-2004 08:19:20  
I have fed hay from the two balers mentioned side by side and when we weighted the bales, the M&W bales weighed 15-20% less than the Vermeer of the same size. The reason the cattle finish the soft core bale first is it puts less hay in the bale. The condition of the hay is due to the state of the condition the hay was baled.



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Sid

06-29-2004 06:23:37




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 Re: Re: Re: M W 4500 vs Vermeer 5400 in reply to Hay Dr., 06-28-2004 16:16:30  
You are right about being less hay in the soft core bale, but when they cleaned in upt first they had barely touched the other bale. These These bales were placed in bale rings and were not unrolled. As for the condition of the hay when two balers are baling side by side in the same field as I mentioned youare baling under equal conditions granted the hay was not exactly perfect but as I mentioned in that case the soft core bales had no mold while the tightly wrapped bales had a little bit

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Hay Dr

06-28-2004 06:39:37




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 Re: M W 4500 vs Vermeer 5400 in reply to Lamont, 06-28-2004 06:30:13  
Both are good balers. We sell both but look at the average yearly sales figures. Vermeer sells 2,000-3,000 a year. M&W sells 100-250 a year. The Vermee Rebel 5400 baler is the #1 selling round baler model in the USA.



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hey hay dr

06-28-2004 06:46:55




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 Re: Re: M W 4500 vs Vermeer 5400 in reply to Hay Dr, 06-28-2004 06:39:37  
are those figurse for your location or nationwide-may seem like a stupid question just interested in the national volume of vermeer sales



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Hay Dr

06-28-2004 07:04:10




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 Re: Re: Re: M W 4500 vs Vermeer 5400 in reply to hey hay dr, 06-28-2004 06:46:55  
Yes those figures are nationwide. Last year CCM sold 96 new Vermeer Round balers.



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