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haybine rollers clogging

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Ed Norman

06-19-2004 11:32:22




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I have a New Holland 472 Haybine. When I get into really heavy tall grass the hay wraps around the top roller and keeps wrapping until I have to stop and clear the machine. Otherwise all works great. What is out of adjustment?




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Adam B.

06-21-2004 03:26:18




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 Re: haybine rollers clogging in reply to Ed Norman, 06-19-2004 11:32:22  
We had that problem with our 489s in tall hay too. If you watch closely, you'll see the rolls grab and start pulling the crop through before the stems get to the cutterbar. The problem doesn't occur in normal conditions because the reel sweeps the crop into the rollers after it's cut off, or as it's being cut. When the hay is too tall, it's being torn off or pulled out of the ground by the conditioning rolls. The hay also tended to start wrapping around one of the rollers first.

We switched to disc mower-conditioners and don't have any more problems with tall, wet or heavy crops. There's no reel to push the crop into the rolls (or impeller), so the conditioner can't get ahead of the knives. Actually, the flap at the front of the mower hood bends the crop forward some, so the knives get to the crop before the conditioner. We had no trouble with the disc+roller mo-co, but now have the disc+impeller and really like the flexibility the impeller offers.

Our fix for the 489 'high-crop' problem was to back the roll pressure off a lot. Then we'd pry the top roll up and insert a small piece of steel, square tubing under each end of the roller (where it rests on stops). With the blocks in place, we'd crank the roller pressure up a little bit to make sure it would hold them tightly. The result was about a 1-2" gap between the rollers. The conditioner was pretty much disabled as a result, but it would still crush the hay some (simply because the crop was so thick) and prevented the rollers from grabbing onto the crop before it was cut. No clogging or wrapping problems in really tall hay, and we only lost a couple of the blocks in all the times we did it.

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ErnieD

06-20-2004 12:41:41




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 Re: haybine rollers clogging in reply to Ed Norman, 06-19-2004 11:32:22  
Try either more or less tension on conditioning rolls. When the hay was succulent we back off on the tension and it seemed to help. As the hay got coarse we dialed more in.



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Gary in TX

06-20-2004 06:47:47




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 Re: haybine rollers clogging in reply to Ed Norman, 06-19-2004 11:32:22  
Have alot of hours in front of a 469 and 488 haybine and been in the same boat. Mine was caused by hanging problem on the rear forming shields, hay would catch and keep building up till no more would pass through and then the wrapping would begin. Also have had problems with it due to hay just being too thick or dry hay has cause me soem problems before, like Johnsongrass that was dry. Since running my 1380 Deere hydroswing and my 2280 self proppelled I have only had 2 plug ups that I had to dig out. Well, 3 actually now that I think about it, was trying to erase that last one from my memory, was a _itch!

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TGIN

06-20-2004 04:50:32




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 Re: haybine rollers clogging in reply to Ed Norman, 06-19-2004 11:32:22  
Had some cracks and holes in our 472 top roller and filled them up with liquid nails so there was no sharp edges to grab the hay . It helped alot .



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RickB

06-20-2004 03:06:25




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 Re: haybine rollers clogging in reply to Ed Norman, 06-19-2004 11:32:22  
Try advancing the reel cam track timing. This will force the reel to release the crop earlier, allowing the rolls to freely feed the crop through. Rotate the cam clockwise when facing the cam end of the reel. Should be a half dozen or so bolts to loosen to allow cam to move. Also check the crop for over-conditioning and if so, loosen roll tension.



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Dan

06-19-2004 22:34:11




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 Re: haybine rollers clogging in reply to Ed Norman, 06-19-2004 11:32:22  
A sharp linoleum knife works great for cutting the hay off the conditioner rolls. Wished I had had one this afternoon, had similar problem with Heston 1091



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Dan

06-19-2004 22:31:03




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 Re: haybine rollers clogging in reply to Ed Norman, 06-19-2004 11:32:22  
I used to run an old Hestion260 self propelled. Always had a sharpened linoleum knife for cutting the hay off the conditioner rolls. Works great.



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JMS/MN

06-19-2004 21:35:15




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 Re: haybine rollers clogging in reply to Ed Norman, 06-19-2004 11:32:22  
Have you tried slowing down your ground speed? Many times that will help with the wrapping problem- just trying to put too much material through the machine- it takes time to work everything through. High moisture of the hay does the same thing.



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Fern(Mi)

06-19-2004 18:23:52




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 Re: haybine rollers clogging in reply to Ed Norman, 06-19-2004 11:32:22  
Most likey the hay is wet. Wet hay sticks to the top roller on most haybinds and hay-conditioners. Been running 1&1/2 mph. And that's too fast. These Spring rains have got our haying fouled to almost impssible to cut. Tried flail chopper today with rear gate open. Cut is to fine. Will try conditioner modifications tomorrow. Wish I could be of better help. Sorry. We got same problem ourselves.
Fernan

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