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Errin OH

06-18-2004 11:05:53




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I have been using an OLD pull type roller bar rake for years and only have a single complaint. You can't lift it up to go over a windrow. Other than that, it has worked great for what I do. The fella I got the tedder from has a single basket rotor(?) rake. It spins on a horizontal plane like the tedder but as the tines come around to the front, they drop down, push (rake) to the other side and lift back up as they go around. Deutz-allis 150 or 170 I think. How do the compare? For the money I could get a nice roller bar. The advantage would be the ability to lift up the rake to pass over a windrow.

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James in NC

06-19-2004 05:47:13




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 Re: nother question (rake) in reply to Errin OH, 06-18-2004 11:05:53  
The easiest thing might be change the way you rake if possiable rake up and down the field not worring about the edges and then make a clean up lap around the edge. However rotary rakes leave a clean fluffy windrow. They are a little pricey though. Get a good one that will last Krone and Kuhn make probably the best ones.



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kyhayman

06-18-2004 19:48:41




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 Re: nother question (rake) in reply to Errin OH, 06-18-2004 11:05:53  
I've tried most and always gone back to my 256 NH rolabar. Unless you have a dolly wheel on the front you can always use a flat drawbar that goes between the 2 lift arms to pick up the rake. I'm curious as to why you need to go over a windrow, cant recall in the last 10 years a 1/2 dozen times I've needed to.



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Tom in TN

06-19-2004 04:51:27




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 Re: Re: nother question (rake) in reply to kyhayman, 06-18-2004 19:48:41  
Hello kyhayman,

I have this very problem every time I rake. I always start at the outside of the field and rake a continuous windrow that spirals to the inside of the field. When I come out of the field, I always mess up my windrow with my rake. Is there a better way to rake so this doesn't happen.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Currently, I take a pitchfork with me and pitch the hay back into the windrow when I have pulled the rake out of the field.

Thanks again,

Tom in TN

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kyhayman

06-19-2004 05:53:25




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 Re: Re: Re: nother question (rake) in reply to Tom in TN, 06-19-2004 04:51:27  
First of all, consider the field before you start. If there is any way to make it into a square or a triangle then think about how to rake to get this.

I do a couple of things. First time out I normally cut about 6 swaths around each hay field and then bale this normally. If you cna cut all of your hay in 1 day this wouldnt work too well but if it takes several days then simply cut the outside of each field the first day instead of all of it. When this is baled and removed you have the ability to rake in straight lines. For that outside you can rake around (I usually throw 2 swaths over adn 1 back). You have a 'entrance' hole where you start.

Second option on a field cut all at 1 time is to 1. do as above with the outer windrow, except start 21 or so feet into the field throwing the hay to the outside. This leaves room to turn at the head lands of each windrow and you still have an 'entrance' hole where you start. Another option is to rake in a U pattern instead of a 'box'. This leaves the entire end of the field open. Often this can be used on odd shaped fields. My fields range in size from 3-4 acres to 60 acres and are all irregular in shape. Straight lines accross the slope are the only way I can make any time, with square bales, I have to get out of the field to got to the barn; with rolls (my fields are VERY STEEP) I cant drop up and down the slope or they roll away.

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Tom in TN

06-19-2004 21:37:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: nother question (rake) in reply to kyhayman, 06-19-2004 05:53:25  
kyhayman,

Thank you for the great ideas. I have about six acres of "rained-on" hay that I raked today. If I can get it out of the field in the next couple of days, I need to cut about 6 more acres. I'm going to try your suggestions on the next cutting. I really like your suggestions and I'm sure it's going to work much better than my spiral approach.

Thanks again,

Tom in TN



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kyhayman

06-20-2004 15:07:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nother question (rake) in reply to Tom in TN, 06-19-2004 21:37:26  
Good luck with it. I was thinking about you today when I was raking. Had one little field .8 of an acre I forgot to mention in the above post, still managed to get all in straight lines except the outside windrow by using a U shape. Noramlly it turns out 80 sqaure bales in the first cutting (I am REALLY late finishing alfalfa and 40 oon each of the next)

Also remembered that bumping a windrow to make a right hand turn only scoots it, if making a left turn you cross it and pile it. Just a thought.

Regards,
David

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bob

06-18-2004 22:00:38




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 Re: Re: nother question (rake) in reply to kyhayman, 06-18-2004 19:48:41  
small, oddly-shaped meadows sometimes allow you no choice. Thats common in the mountains.



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thurlow

06-18-2004 19:34:50




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 Re: nother question (rake) in reply to Errin OH, 06-18-2004 11:05:53  
"Way back when" we used to use a pull type roller bar rake..... we built a hitch to go on the three-point which allowed us to pick the front of the rake up and cross windrows..... ..might not completely clear a big windrow, but it worked pretty good....



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John in IN

06-18-2004 18:45:33




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 Re: nother question (rake) in reply to Errin OH, 06-18-2004 11:05:53  
At the end of the season last year I bought a used Kuhn GRS 25 N Gyrostar rake/tedder combo. I love it. You can lift over the end windrows. It makes a fluffy windrow also. It doesn't rope it. I made two rounds with my rolobar rake and the switched to the rotary and I don't think I will go back. They do appear they may be more maintence on the drive system than a rolobar. Kuhn seems to be heavyer built than some though. I am new to rotary but I was impressed.

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Tim(nj)

06-18-2004 13:55:38




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 Re: nother question (rake) in reply to Errin OH, 06-18-2004 11:05:53  
The rotor rakes make fluffier windrows, but some of them are built lightly and don't take rough ground well. I'm not sure about the Deutz-Allis rakes. My AGCO dealer has a few on the back lot with bad gears that he salvages other parts off of.



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