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mark

09-11-1999 11:42:01




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Is it wise to use a seperate motor on a baler, i.e. wisconsin type, or should i get a larger tractor.

I have a Farmall 140 and a T41 baler. The baler does not have the extra motor and is pto driven. I thought a seperate motor for the baler as depicited in the operator manual. Would a VW or other small air cooled engine like a rotax engine work without too much modifications or headache.

I plan on obtaining an IH M or H after the 1st of the year and would like to have a grain drill, larger harrows, and 1 row or 66 inch wide combine like an AC66 combine.

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B.C.

09-12-1999 20:33:08




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 Re: motorized baler in reply to mark, 09-11-1999 11:42:01  
You might go kick the tires of a decent WD-45 or D-17. If you want Farmall why not go for a 450 or later that has constant running PTO?

When our MH50 was laid up one time we used a Farmall H to bale with our 14T, but I wound up wishing for more HP, lower tractor, and constant running PTO.

If you're gonna stay between an H or an M, go M.



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TomH

09-12-1999 14:42:47




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 Re: motorized baler in reply to mark, 09-11-1999 11:42:01  
I agree with Ernie, you would be better off putting the money into a little more tractor than messing with an engine on the baler. I use an H to pull a small baler and wagon, but its too light to trust on anything but a very slight grade, an M would be much better.



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Robert

09-11-1999 18:51:39




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 Re: motorized baler in reply to mark, 09-11-1999 11:42:01  
A neighbour who hobby farms a few acres put together a rig that might work for you.He had a Ford 8N tractor and wanted to bale but sometimes first gear was too fast and of course he didn't have live PTO.He cut the frame of an old Dodge pickup behind the transmission and made it into a trailer.The all he had to do was have an adapter made by a machine shop to fit aPTO to the transmission.The Dodge truck engine (an old flathead 6)ran the baler for years and could run a buzz saw or elevater or anything else needing PTO power.The only problem I can see with something like this is that it might want to drift on side hills.

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Robert

09-11-1999 18:50:09




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 Re: motorized baler in reply to mark, 09-11-1999 11:42:01  
A neighbour who hobby farms a few acres put together a rig that might work for you.He had a Ford 8N tractor and wanted to bale but sometimes first gear was too fast and of course he didn't have live PTO.He cut the frame of an old Dodge pickup behind the transmission and made it into a trailer.The all he had to do was have an adapter made by a machine shop to fit aPTO to the transmission.The Dodge truck engine (an old flathead 6)ran the baler for years and could run a buzz saw or elevater or anything else needing PTO power.The only problem I can see with something like this is that it might want to drift on side hills.

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Ernie

09-11-1999 14:17:30




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 Re: motorized baler in reply to mark, 09-11-1999 11:42:01  
The Wisconsin engine develops its hp at lower rpm, making the belt speed reduction to the 14T(?) flywheel simpler. Engines on choppers, combines, balers take a beating because they are never laid up or idled properly. I had a Ford combine with a mag driven Wisconsin V4. Hand cranking a 22 hp V4 with a 6" crank is joy I will never forget.

Your M should have enough starch to handle a baler and wagon. 40-45 hp is plenty even on hills. We used to bale with a NAA, but its first gear was too fast.

We had a neighbor with a wisconsin powered IH baler and a Briggs & Stratton powered bale thrower. He did manage to make hay, but spent a lot of time tinkering with motor.

All that said, having an engine on a pull combine is handy to maintain constant machine speed, I would not avoid buying an implement if the engine was tight. I would not go out of my way to add an engine.

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Ernie

09-11-1999 14:15:34




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 Re: motorized baler in reply to mark, 09-11-1999 11:42:01  
The Wisconsin engine develops its hp at lower rpm, making the belt speed reduction to the 14T(?) flywheel simpler. Engines on choppers, combines, balers take a beating because they are never laid up or idled properly. I had a Ford combine with a mag driven Wisconsin V4. Hand cranking a 22 hp V4 with a 6" crank is joy I will never forget.

Your M should have enough starch to handle a baler and wagon. 40-45 hp is plenty even on hills. We used to bale with a NAA, but its first gear was too fast.

We had a neighbor with a wisconsin powered IH baler and a Briggs & Stratton powered bale thrower. He did manage to make hay, but spent a lot of time tinkering with motor.

All that said, having an engine on a pull combine is handy to maintain constant machine speed, I would not avoid buying an implement if the engine was tight. I would not go out of my way to add an engine.

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