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Can I plant corn with a drill??

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Joe J

06-17-2004 08:32:37




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Seems silly but I'm just starting out on 20 acres and don't have a planter and if this works won't need to purchase one.... I am looking to put about 2 acres in corn for some cows...

I have a Melroe 201 drill. I believe 7.5" spacing... Thanks to someone else on this board I found how to get the seed wheels... My thought was to get the coarse wheels, Plant with row 1, cover up holes 2,3,4 plant with row 5, etc...

This gives me 30" spacing and I woulnd't need to purchase a planter... Any thoughts on if this would work?

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cockshuttguy

06-21-2004 17:33:36




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 Re: Can I plant corn with a drill?? in reply to Joe J, 06-17-2004 08:32:37  
My Father always planted with a 13 hoe grain drill. It had markers for row planting.
Never owned a planter. Corn was always a bit thicker as I recall.
I'd go for it.



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Jeff Leavitt

06-20-2004 14:16:25




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 Re: Can I plant corn with a drill?? in reply to Joe J, 06-17-2004 08:32:37  
E-mail me to let me know how it works. I'd much rather set up my drill any day than my cyclo 900 planter. I would have to look at the box tag on my JD 450 drill, but I know that the JD 8200 tha t I used before that had a chart for corn. For silage or mazes I don't see why a drill would not work for corn. Narrow rows? No problem? Banding fert? That's what the back box is for (If so equipped). Insecticide? Could you put that in the Grass box? Just a few abstract thoughts.


Jeff

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Farmered

06-18-2004 21:14:23




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 Re: Can I plant corn with a drill?? in reply to Joe J, 06-17-2004 08:32:37  
Of course you can plant corn with a grain drill. You won't have the precise control of depth and spacing but it will work and you won't have to purchase an expensive machine for a days work. My father did it for years and raised some pretty good yielding silage corn. Buy medium round seed. It grows just as well and you will get more seeds per bushel and probably will work better in the fluted feeds of the grain drill. Slow the feed down so you have 24 to 28 thousand plants per acre

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Allan in NE

06-19-2004 05:35:44




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 Re: Re: Can I plant corn with a drill?? in reply to Farmered, 06-18-2004 21:14:23  
Hi Farmered,

I've put up a lot of sileage; used to average about 90 acres a year; sometimes sugar corn and sometimes heavy on the grain end. The rounds usually come in 110K kernels per bag.

I personally think it would be way eaiser to just go buy the feed for the cows. 2 acres is gonna slide thru old bossie in very short order, in my opinion.

Have a good one,

Allan



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Don-Wi

06-18-2004 22:59:12




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 Re: Re: Can I plant corn with a drill?? in reply to Farmered, 06-18-2004 21:14:23  
Like farmered said, It'll work, but it won't be as nice as the real deal. My dad used to use our JD Van Brunt Drill, put duct tape over every couple holes. We have a JD 494 like mentioned in other posts, and they really ain't that hard to change plates like they say. For 2 acres, I'd say go for it, just don't expect perfection. Maybe if you get a little saved up you could look for a 494 at an auction sometime.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Allan in NE

06-17-2004 17:21:59




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 Re: Can I plant corn with a drill?? in reply to Joe J, 06-17-2004 08:32:37  
Hey 'ole Bud,

This just a ain't a gonna work. Not even a little bit.

First off, let me say that I know absolutely nothing about your drill and I know nothing of your operation.

But, corn is nothing more than a breed of grass that we humans have developed, breed and molded for our own use.

Being a grass family member it is going to act like a grass if you try to "sow" it. It doesn't compete very well with other grasses and it especially does not compete very well with itself unless it has room to spread out and grow.

If the kernels are not spaced correctly, you are going to have some pretty 30" rows of green, short, scrawny corn shafts resembling Kane; with not an ear of corn in sight.

Things you must consider are the kernel spacing, kernel depth, soil compaction around that seed and an undamaged seed with access to moisture to swell the seed and begin the growing process.

One bag of seed is going to plant roughly 2 1/2 acres (based on an 80K seed count). How we gonna split that one bag of seed up in the drill hopper and route out to the 4 seed tubes (still don't know about the construction of your drill)?

Now after my yammering on about that, there are folks who have used your method to plant soybeans by plugging up every other drop tube and have had some pretty good luck. But, beans are a legume crop and legumes don't mind a crowded neighborhood; fact is, they will try to out do one another up to a certain point.

Corn planters seem pretty simple to us, but actually, they are quite an exacting machine.

As always Joe, this is just my own personal opinion and is expressed as such.

Allan

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JMS/MN

06-17-2004 15:45:36




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 Re: Can I plant corn with a drill?? in reply to Joe J, 06-17-2004 08:32:37  
Physically it will work. The flutes on a regular drill can open up enough to pass the seed without destroying it. Not sure how your 'wheels' work. Years ago a farm magazine showed corn planted with all the openers on a drill- corn was thick, got about 3-4 feet high, and was green-chopped or ensiled for cows. Obviously never caught on. Even in a good, loose seedbed, depth control is poor, spacing is uncontrolled. I think Moline drills do have a pounds per acre chart for maize.

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farmerboybill

06-17-2004 14:09:25




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 Re: Can I plant corn with a drill?? in reply to Joe J, 06-17-2004 08:32:37  
If drilling corn were possible, my guess is half the old timers would have done it for decades instead of anteing up for yet another piece of equipment. I don't think you'd get the seed deep enough nor constistantly spaced enough to get a respectable stand. If you were doing it for a food plot for wildlife, maybe.

You'd be better off with a planter of some type. The 494 is ok but you gotta mess with the plates. I'd get a 1240 plateless or 7000 for less than 250 bucks on a farm auction. Four row units go for little of nothing whereas the two row units tend to go for a pile of money, amazingly enough. I've been moderately tempted to buy a couple of these planters, cut them in two, and sell each half for twice what I paid for the whole unit ;-) Another advantage is the fact that you can band in some starter fertilizer with a planter.

If you try drilling corn, let us know how it works.

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Tim(nj)

06-17-2004 18:46:51




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 Re: Re: Can I plant corn with a drill?? in reply to farmerboybill, 06-17-2004 14:09:25  
Where do you get a 7000 plateless for less than $250?!?! I'll go there. Last one I saw this spring was a 4 row narrow sold at auction for $2200!



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JMS/MN

06-18-2004 16:18:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Can I plant corn with a drill?? in reply to Tim(nj), 06-17-2004 18:46:51  
In central MN, most 4 row wides go for $1500-1900. Typically dry fert, H&I and monitor on them. Very few 4RN around here- usually 6 and 8 RN.



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paul

06-18-2004 06:41:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Can I plant corn with a drill?? in reply to Tim(nj), 06-17-2004 18:46:51  
Again, in the midwest, where farmers are trading their 16 row planters for 24 row planters to keep up.... 4 row planters have long since gone to the fencerow. I paid $2500 for my 7000 wide row with monitor & attachments several years ago, but was in very good shape. At a farm sale with a little work needed, hard to get $500 for one.

--->Paul



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Tim(nj)

06-17-2004 10:38:51




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 Re: Can I plant corn with a drill?? in reply to Joe J, 06-17-2004 08:32:37  
It's not going to give you real accurate spacing, nor is it going to give you consistent depth control. For two acres, yes, I'd try it, but for a larger acreage, an old, cheap planter like a JD 494-AN would do you better than that drill ever could, in my opinion.



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