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What is your perfered method of harvesting hay

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George

06-10-2004 16:27:44




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I'm planning on planting some orchard grass this fall. What is you perfered method of harvesting hay. I already have sickle bar mounted on a 1020 JD so I guess i would have to get is a tedder to condition it or would I be better off finding a used haybine. I'm kinda leaning toward the haybine thinking it will save me time and money by not having to run back over the feild tedding. Any input is greatly appreciated.

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Hugh MacKay

06-12-2004 03:54:41




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 Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting hay in reply to George, 06-10-2004 16:27:44  
George: For the most part your advice is almost worthless as conditions vary so much across this continant. A system that works well on the great plains, is not going to work well on either Atlantic or Pacific coasts. The Great Lakes basins again will be different as will the deep south.

A lot of these guys giving advice have never made hay more the 100 miles away from home in their lives. There is a big difference between the great plains with 40% humidity and near one of those large bodies of water where humidity rarely drops below 80%. Your very best advice will come right from your own neighbor hood.

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Dale in IN

06-11-2004 08:16:29




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 Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting hay in reply to George, 06-10-2004 16:27:44  
I use a mower conditioner(Jd 1219). Try to start mowing in the morning as soon as the due is about off. I do not windrow tight as I see most do. I learned this the hard way by experience. I spread the 9' cut out as wide as I can, This is usually about 7' If I have a good drying day the first day I go in the 2nd day with an old NI Cutditioner with paddles so dull they would not cut hot butter.I will go the outside round first and leave it and go to the center and work out not driving on any of the hay that has been fluffed with the NI cutditioner. This leaves me with a 4' foot windrow that is very fluffy and allows air to circulate through it. This also leaves more of the ground open to dry. As soon as I can take a small hand full and give it a twist and it breaks off, I start the rake if needed and if not I bale out of the 4' swath.
Different hays have to be treated in different ways. Heavy alfalfa usually has a lot more moisture in it than grass hay. This past Monday June 7 I mowed in the morning Fluffed tuesday morning and started the rake at 1:30 PM and the small sq baler at 4:00pm tuesday. We had very warm weather with some wind to help it dry very fast. This was 1st cutting alfalfa with some over ripe grass in it.

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BUD

06-11-2004 04:14:01




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 Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting hay in reply to George, 06-10-2004 16:27:44  
I USE A CCM165 DRUM MOWER , A OLD 7' CRIMPER , A 8-10 WHEEL RAKE . MY BALE TIME 2 DAYS



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Hay Dr

06-10-2004 23:11:30




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 Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting hay in reply to George, 06-10-2004 16:27:44  
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When in grass hay a disc/drum mower and a tedder will put up hay with less money spent and as quick as any discbine MOCO out there. Anything with a sicklebar is it wastes a day waiting for the dew on the grass to dry. The disc/drum mower will be done before the haybine starts to mow.

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Don-Wi

06-11-2004 22:43:09




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 Re: Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting in reply to Hay Dr, 06-10-2004 23:11:30  
I can't say I've ever waited for the dew to dry on our hay, and never noticed a difference from hay cut in the morning and hay cut later on. We have a NI mow-ditioner and sometimes it cuts better in the dew. Most times I can never tell the difference. We have the larger sprocket on the roll that drives the reel, and we can really go at a good pace, atleast keep up with a new moco. We have an old Massey 12 baler, never skips a beat. On a hot dry weekend we can cut Friday morning and bale Sunday when the dew dries. Our equipment is old, but it keeps up with the new stuff just fine. Besides, you can only drive as fast as the person can stack on the wagon. I've already put our 285 in 1st high in 1st crop just to beat the rain. Only missed 1 acre out of 35 that was cut.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Adam B.

06-10-2004 20:39:27




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 Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting hay in reply to George, 06-10-2004 16:27:44  
We use mower-conditioners. That used to mean New Holland Haybines, but now we have John Deere 935 disk/impeller machines. The working speed is wonderful, and the impeller does a great job.

If the fields are wet, we make narrow windrows to expose more of the ground so it can dry out. Otherwise, we make windrows that are just narrow enough for the tractor to straddle on the next pass so we don't run it down.

The hay sits for about half a day typically, then the windrows are scattered into a uniform blanket with a tedder. Currently, that's a Claas Volto 1050. We let the hay dry at least another half a day. If it's very heavy (usually 1st cutting), we'll hit it with the tedder a second time. It gets raked up nice and neat, and should be ready to bale within a couple hours.

Tedding is up to you, but a mower-conditioner would definitely speed up your drying vs. a sicklebar. There are hay crushers around (we even had one for one particularly rainy year), but you'd be better off with a combo machine.

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Allan in NE

06-10-2004 20:08:13




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 Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting hay in reply to George, 06-10-2004 16:27:44  
George,

When I was a pup, we always had about 15 acres of irrigated alfalfa to put up three times a year for the darlin' Holsteins, don't ya know.

We would mow it with a JD # 5 or 8 sickle mower, rake it with a # 15 IH side delivery rake, let it cure and then stack it using the Farmhand F-10 loader running back and forth, up and down the field and to the stack with two men with pitchforks shaping.

Seemed like that 15 acres would end up taking 3 or 4 days as I recall.

The last year I farmed, I used a swather/crimper to drop the stuff. After the hay had cured, I could put up 45 acres before breakfast using a round bailer; then have it stacked before 10am.

Times change.

Allan

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thurlow

06-10-2004 19:42:53




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 Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting hay in reply to George, 06-10-2004 16:27:44  
This may not be an option for you and is probably not answering your question, but..... ....very best way to harvest hay is to let the livestock do it, i.e. stockpile it in the late summer/early fall and let them graze it through the (early) winter..... .



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kyhayman

06-10-2004 19:10:16




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 Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting hay in reply to George, 06-10-2004 16:27:44  
For me, a disc mower followed by a tedder is my preferred combination. I parked my haybine a few years ago and only use it for soybean hay. Given the choice between a sckle mower/tedder and a haybine I'd go with the haybine.



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kyhayman

06-10-2004 19:02:13




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 Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting hay in reply to George, 06-10-2004 16:27:44  
For me, a disc mower followed by a tedder is my preferred combination. I parked my haybine a few years ago and only use it for soybean hay. Given the choice between a sckle mower/tedder and a haybine I'd go with the haybine.



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wolfy

06-10-2004 18:59:45




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 Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting hay in reply to George, 06-10-2004 16:27:44  
With haybine & tedder, you can Mow Mon morning & bale Tue afternoon. i.e. hay only has to lay one night. Much more likely to get 2 days good weather in a row than three.



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JMS/MN

06-10-2004 18:57:15




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 Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting hay in reply to George, 06-10-2004 16:27:44  
A tedder does not condition the hay. It fluffs it up to let air through the windrow, so it dries faster. A conditioner generally cracks the stem to let moisture out, and the hay dries faster. A moco (Haybine is a registered trademark of NH) does the cutting, conditioning, and windrowing in one operation. The finished swath protects the hay quite well from rain while it dries. If you rake it, and it gets rained on before baling, it is much like hay already through the cow.

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Alvin NE WI

06-10-2004 18:50:51




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 Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting hay in reply to George, 06-10-2004 16:27:44  
I prefer about 5 days of good weather without rain.



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Alvin NE WI

06-10-2004 18:49:01




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 Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting hay in reply to George, 06-10-2004 16:27:44  
I prefer about 5 days of good weather without rain.



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RayP(MI)

06-10-2004 18:14:21




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 Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting hay in reply to George, 06-10-2004 16:27:44  
Your question is a little difficult to answer. the conditions you will be drying the hay under will have quite a bit to do with how you go at it. Haven't seen anyone around here using tedders. Many are using some sort of a harvesting machine that conditions and windrows the hay in one pass. My problem with this is that windrows tend to dry more slowly than hay spread evenly when cut. Conditioning uses some sort of crushing action that breaks the stems, allowing for quicker drying. Myself, I still use a sickle bar mower, rake, and square baler. And pray for three to four dry days in a row! If I had more money.....

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Kevin

06-10-2004 16:54:43




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 Re: What is your perfered method of harvesting hay in reply to George, 06-10-2004 16:27:44  
George i prefer a haybine, not for the fact that you dont have to use a rake, but i've found that the haybine saves me a day when trying to bale usually



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