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jim

06-09-2004 19:01:22




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where do you get your weather forcast to know its not gonna rain when weather channal says rain and it dont, or says nice i cut hay and they changed it to rain in 36 hours.




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Rob

06-10-2004 16:18:48




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 Re: weather in reply to jim, 06-09-2004 19:01:22  
I agree with James in MO. I look at the National Weather Service web site, and that's all I go by. I've baled about 5000 squares so far, and 800 got rained on but that was my fault for getting in too big of a hurry. I won't say that they are 100% correct, but learn how to read their forecast discussions, zone forecasts, and point forecasts, and you will do a lot better than watching the weather channel.

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Hay Dr

06-10-2004 07:10:42




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 Re: weather in reply to jim, 06-09-2004 19:01:22  
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Take the weather out of harvesting hay with a McHale Bale Wrapper



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TP from Central PA

06-10-2004 10:14:01




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 Re: Re: weather in reply to Hay Dr, 06-10-2004 07:10:42  
Sorry guys..... ...I'll fight the weather long and hard so I don't have to put up too many of those "Baleage" rounds.

We just put up 40 of them last night along with 200 small squares..... ..I wish the whole lot would have been squares. Yeah, looks great but wrapping puts alot of hours on tractors idling all day, are a PITA to feed in less then nice conditions, and I know we have a hard time moving them. People don't want to fight moving/feeding them. Only reason we borrow the wrapper and baler is because we don't have the storage for squares.

Just my $.02..... ..... I learned along time ago it is sure alot nice feeding squares out of a hay mow above the animals when the temp is zero and 2 ft of snow is on the ground then going to get a loader to slide around, freezing to death just to move one big wrapped bale.

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Shep Va

06-10-2004 11:12:19




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 Re: Re: Re: weather in reply to TP from Central PA, 06-10-2004 10:14:01  
We dont have any trouble with them at all. Most of our livestock is outdoors in the winter with sheds or barns to get under and we have to feed outside anyway. One good size tractor with a loader and a cab and you can move the balage bales all day and never get cold.

I will agree that the plastic is hard to get off sometimes if it freezes to the bale and you have to dispose of the plastic, but it is not that bad.

First, I have no place to store the amount of hay we bale in the dry, so it would be outside getting weathered or under a tarp losing quality, and tarps are a real PITA in the winter-- did that for years.

Second, we can run wet hay and balege days ahead of when you can square bale, and can run the round baler and wrapper faster then the square baler can even begin to run.

Third, when you are done baling the wrapper comes along behind the baler (normally at half throddle or more) and wraps and stacks the hay long before you can get the wagons unloaded and in the hay mow. And if it rains after you bale the round bales you can still wrap them and put them down, even in the rain, and there is no harm done. I hate backing hay wagons into the barn in the rain in a hurry.....

Forth, the labor to round bale and wrap is less, with only two tractor operators, or one if its just you, where it takes several people of manuel labor to unload square bales in the mow.

This is just my 2 cents and what works in our operation. As with anything you have to find what works for you in your situation.

For me, I square bale VERY little anymore and dont really care to do much of it at all. Too slow to get the hay dry, too slow to get the baling done, and too much labor to get the hay put away. I just dont have the time or the labor to mess with many square bales anymore.

As with anything on the farm now a days it is a trade off with the cost of the machines vs. the time savings. For example, you can spend $4,500 on a haybine that moves at 2 MPH or $14,000 on a discbine that moves at 6+ MPH. It just depends on what you can afford and how much time you have. Same way with wrapping, you have to have a round baler that "can" bale wet hay and a wrapper, vs. a lot cheaper square baler and a few flat wagons. Time vs. money all the time.....

Ok, that was my thoughts for the day..... .

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Shep Va

06-10-2004 07:41:21




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 Re: Re: weather in reply to Hay Dr, 06-10-2004 07:10:42  
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I agree, we wrap almost all our hay now, and we can mow one day and bale the next. I also do some for the neighbors to help them. Why do we do it?? Well we just finished up all our grain for hay and first cutting hay, most of the neighbors are less than half done and getting their hay rained on.

Dont even mess with dry hay anymore unless I square bale some.

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Kelly C

06-10-2004 09:29:00




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 Re: Re: Re: weather in reply to Shep Va, 06-10-2004 07:41:21  
If my wife ever lets me get some cattle. I think thats what I would do too. Just to dang covenient not to have to worry about the weather.

Just mow with a disk/Drum and bale her wet. How the heck can you beat that?

Horse people want non of it. To bad.



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Hay Dr

06-10-2004 18:41:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: weather in reply to Kelly C, 06-10-2004 09:29:00  
Aren't horses best served in an ALPO can or to the French. Tell that to your wife and you will be sleeping with the horses. LOL



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Shep Va

06-10-2004 10:52:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: weather in reply to Kelly C, 06-10-2004 09:29:00  
I dont know about that..... we been feeding our horses that wet wrapped hay and they are doing good off of it. Normally feed the horses the wet orchard grass or fescue and they have done well on it. Corse if you see any mold or anything on the bale it normally goes to the cows and not the horses.

The days of the small square bales for "real" farms are about over. Everything around here is big squares or round and most wrapped anymore....

I have a whole page about hay wrapping on my site if you want to check it out sometime.

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Tim(nj)

06-10-2004 11:21:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: weather in reply to Shep Va, 06-10-2004 10:52:45  
Most of the "real farms" around here are still doing some small squares for the horse market, which is the biggest livestock feed segment left in the state of New Jersey. Problem with round bales for the horses is most stables here are set up to feed in individual stalls inside, not free-choice outside. So they really can't use a round bale, wrapped or unwrapped. Most horse people also have a fear of baleage/silage because of potential mold toxin (so they've been told by an "expert" anyway) and some horses just can't handle that much good feed at one time.

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TP from Central PA

06-10-2004 18:50:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: weather in reply to Tim(nj), 06-10-2004 11:21:30  
Yeah Tim..... .....I don't think small squares will ever die here. It seems that if the hay won't fit for small squares its blown up the silo pipe..... ..And the Amish, can't and won't handle rounds!



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Kelly C

06-10-2004 12:48:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: weather in reply to Tim(nj), 06-10-2004 11:21:30  
Yup. You have to sell what they want.
try selling some oats hay to horse people. They think your trying to crook them into feeding straw. That is untill they try it. And thier horses will push them out of the way to get at it.
I have about 40 acres of oats cover crop to get up for customers. All for free.
I will square about 5 or 6 hundred and roll the rest.
Seeing as people want to let me bale it for free. I might as well develope a market for it. Every one who buys hay from me leaves with 5 bales of oats hay for free.
Try it out. if you like it. Guess what, I have lots of it. If not, Oh well they were free.

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Kelly C

06-10-2004 07:33:23




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 Re: Re: weather in reply to Hay Dr, 06-10-2004 07:10:42  
Yup. Take the weather man out and put the bill collector into you haying operation.
Just kidding. I would have every gadget known to man if I could. I love stuff like that.



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James in MO

06-10-2004 05:29:29




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 Re: weather in reply to jim, 06-09-2004 19:01:22  
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Go to this website and plug your own zipcode in the space at the top of the page. You can get a live radar loop and e3verything. I work for an asphalt company and we base all our decisions on whether or not to start the plant on this website



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Kelly C

06-09-2004 19:39:12




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 Re: weather in reply to jim, 06-09-2004 19:01:22  
They dont really know. All they can really do is trend.
We are in a wet trend right now. The fronts are moving all over the place.So odds are good your hay is going to get wet.
Now when that big H for high pressure come through and the fronts are a state away and moving away. You got a good chance of no rain on the hay. Thats usually 2nd cutting time though.
1st cutting is a crap shoot. Most just cut a schedual and some gets wet and some dont. You can only wait so long and you have to go. I am cutting next week on the 1st chance of 3 days of dry so I have my fingers crossed. I am only going to cut half the field though. Havent figured if that ups my odds or just insures I get some rained on.

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JMS/MN

06-09-2004 23:05:33




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 Re: Re: weather in reply to Kelly C, 06-09-2004 19:39:12  
Heard many years ago that the most likely day of getting rain in Mn was June 10th..... ...seems to work most years. My own experience of 32 years- they were right! If you are not done with first cutting by then- it's likely to get rained on, so maybe you should wait for the last third to do after midmonth.



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Dale in IN

06-10-2004 06:42:03




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 Re: Re: Re: weather in reply to JMS/MN, 06-09-2004 23:05:33  
You are right again it is june 10 and this morning it is raining in IN. Just finished baling 1/2 of our first cutting last night about 6:00 PM. Cut it Monday morning and started baling 4:00 PM tuesday evening. It really dried fast. Clouds moved in yesterday after noon but only got a few light drops.



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Kelly C

06-10-2004 05:02:37




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 Re: Re: Re: weather in reply to JMS/MN, 06-09-2004 23:05:33  
You maybe right about that. I seem to remember growing up. We never started our 1st cutting untill the last week of June or 4th of July.
And I though it was just my Grandfather not wanting me to have any fun on the 4th of July.



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Allan in NE

06-10-2004 05:13:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: weather in reply to Kelly C, 06-10-2004 05:02:37  
Kelly,

Smart man, your grandpa.

Allan



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