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Vermeer 504G - First time round baler?'s

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Mike Strong

06-05-2004 18:15:11




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Hi,
Just bought a vermeer 504G. Baled a bale with it and the bale got stuck so I worked for a while and finally got it out. There was a big slug of hay in the feed. Now the big bottom roller and the pick up are not turning...did I shear a pin and if so where is it? Anyone know where I can get a manual?
Thanks,Mike




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Hay Dr

06-06-2004 13:03:13




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 Re: Vermeer 504G - First time round baler?'s in reply to Mike Strong, 06-05-2004 18:15:11  
Some of the Super G balers had an auto stop feature on the pickup. It is possible that is hung and your pickup is not turning. I'd bet you have seared the SDS hubs in the bottom drum roller. You need a set of bale restrictors and you will never hang a bale in the baler like this again.



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mike strong

06-09-2004 19:16:41




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 Re: Re: Vermeer 504G - First time round baler?'s in reply to Hay Dr, 06-06-2004 13:03:13  
Well not sure what it was but now the bottom roller is working but the pickup keeps stopping. It looks like the pickup runs off of the other side of the bottom drum roller via belt. I saw the weighted arm in there that stops it and it was wedged in there. Now everything turns fine by hand but just not while running. It goes for about 3/4 turn and then stops. I greased it...did I get some where I shouldn't have? I am waiting on my book from vermeer.

Thanks again for all the reply's!!

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James in NC

06-06-2004 07:46:54




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 Re: Vermeer 504G - First time round baler?'s in reply to Mike Strong, 06-05-2004 18:15:11  
Check the taper lock hub on the large sproket that turns the drum roller. I have seen these break before when a large wad of hay get stuck in the throat. Vermeer part number 1695-005. Also when the bale does not want to roll out of the baler try bumping the PTO on and off at low rpms.



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Doug Dailey

06-06-2004 07:25:36




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 Re: Vermeer 504G - First time round baler?'s in reply to Mike Strong, 06-05-2004 18:15:11  
Call the ----- --pany at 1-800-370-3659. They should send you a manual.

I bought the same baler last year. I am a part-time farmer and NOT an expert on these balers.

On the right side near the front of the baler is a cover that can be removed with two hand screws. There is a drive belt for the pick-up under there with adjustments for tension etc. Your pick-up problem may be there, but there may be no pick-up problem anyway. The pick-up (on mine) will stop when jammed and work again when the machine is cleared.

The drive roller is chain driven accessed through the big doors on the left side. I can't find the shear pin in the book. Sorry.

These balers are closed throat balers. The newer ones are open throat balers. Unless the hay is in perfect condition, bales are hard to start with a closed throat baler. I think this has something to do with the way the starter roller (the one with flaps on it) is designed.

You should also make sure the baler is closed all the way before you bale and that it stays closed when baling. Mine didn't and I had to have the seals replaced in the large cylinders.

Hope this helps. You need the manual.

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Hay Dr

06-06-2004 12:58:54




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 Re: Re: Vermeer 504G - First time round baler?'s in reply to Doug Dailey, 06-06-2004 07:25:36  
Doug,
The last closed Throat bale Vermeer made was a "D" series. E series and beyond are open throat balers. The tell tailed sign of a closed throat baler is a rubber roller against a presser roller. Most of these G balers are 20 years old or older. IN the UK they used the F,G & H balers to bale haylage. It does take more skill than the newer balers. With I balers and beyond if you pull into the field the baler will bale it at any moisture content.

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Doug Dailey

06-08-2004 18:37:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Vermeer 504G - First time round baler? in reply to Hay Dr, 06-06-2004 12:58:54  
Thanks for the info on the open throat issue, but if this 504G is an open throat, why is it so hard to start a bale?

Today the hay was in good shape, but the baler wanted create a cylinder of hay between the pick-up and the starter roller before entering the baler. I can't find a fix for it. Any ideas?



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paul

06-06-2004 06:39:44




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 Re: Vermeer 504G - First time round baler?'s in reply to Mike Strong, 06-05-2004 18:15:11  
You probably can get a free manual directly from the company - not sure how long that takes.

As it is now hay season, you can pick up a manual from your nearest dealer for $10-15, probably has one in stock.

You can get contact info for either from the Vermeer web site.

I'm trying to remember the sprockets & chain on my 605F - affecting the big bottom roller is quite feat, but must be a chain or sproket on the right side under the panels (assuming a G & F are very similar). Really not a whole lot there, should be pretty obvious - only 3-4 chains to run everything?

Alfalfa is ready to bloom here, we had 4+" of rain last week, and rain is forcast every day for the next 6 days. What to do?

--->Paul

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